A further comment on the problem of evil


First, the freewill argument as made here

I was stating that God allows us to have free will and for the most part, the world that we live in is what we make of it. This is a very clear fact when we talk about murder, theft, assault, etc.

is insufficient to dispense of the problem of evil. One can always ask what happens to the free will of those assaulted as it is obvious it is annihilated in the process. And the bigger question is what stops god from redirecting our will to more acceptable goals unless of course our interlocutor is willing to accept that war, theft murder in some unknown way serves the purposes of god, that is, they are god’s will.

This next quote seems to be making the argument of the world/ earth as a place for learning or preparation. He writes

Perhaps the suffering caused by diseases is necessary to draw us together, and we simply make it worse by utilizing our ability to choose not to cooperate with one another, then we blame God because things seem to be too bad.

which one is forced to ask why did god not stop disease carrying organisms from boarding the ark?

And here we come to the Leibniz argument of the this is the best of all possible worlds

The secret is that things could be much, much worse.

an argument which is easily refuted by postulating a world where there is no measles.

This final paragraph does not help the case of our interlocutor

The middle class tend to compare themselves exclusively to the wealthy and ignore the poor while doing so. In this way, they focus on how things could be so much better than they are, rather than appreciating how far from homeless they are.

especially if he holds it as true that god is a benevolent provider. Then we don’t need destitution. In fact, it is possible to imagine a world arranged such that there is no destitution. The christians and muslims already imagine it and name it heaven where they have constant supply of milk and honey.

In summary, the argument that this is the best of all possible worlds is weak as an argument against the problem of evil or in trying to establish the being of a god.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

27 thoughts on “A further comment on the problem of evil

  1. john zande says:

    Still fails to address animal suffering.

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  2. jim- says:

    If there is a god he is certainly not what they’ve hoped it to be. The only thing that makes sense if evil is if this experience is a voluntary break from the monotony of eternity, or a random accident of cataclysmic geology.

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  3. kiabooks says:

    All things proceed as if there were no all benevolent, all powerful, all loving God. And the apologists know this, but choose to continue rationalizing dishonesty

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  4. renudepride says:

    If this is the “best” of all possible worlds, then what possible reason is there for the continued existence of humanity? It doesn’t get better, so why not just cease breathing here? Naked hugs!

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  5. basenjibrian says:

    This does not answer the fundamental question of the “afterlife”, which we are all assured is the Main Point. Given that God must know the vast majority of humanity has fallen short of his “glory” and thus condemned to an eternity of suffering, why were we created? hell, which we are assured is eternal, is most certainly the “worst of all possible worlds” and as the afterlife is what matters, God has in fact created said worst of all possible worlds for the vast majority of humanity. It just seems so….MEAN SPIRITED.

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  6. judyt54 says:

    If we have freewill, doesn’t it seem that God should be out of the equation totally? You cannot ‘allow’ a person or persons to have total autonomy as long as you’re hanging around watching the process. It’s the difference between taking your kids to the park and then hanging around while they play there( If there’s a problem, you scurry over and fix it) or sending your kids to play in that same park without supervision. They make the mistakes, they work it out.

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    • makagutu says:

      There is a specie of argument that if god intervened all the time, we would not find opportunities to express our humanity. So they combine freewill and divine hiddenness.

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      • basenjibrian says:

        But again…given the horrible punishment traditional Christianity posits…that does not answer the fundamental problem. If a parent in the park not only allows Jimmie to hit Suzy, but knew at the beginning of time that Jimmy would hit Suzy (becauseJimmy’s Great great great great etc grandpa was a BAD BOY) and had planned a horrible punishment for Jimmy, freewill and divine hiddenness are just awful answers.

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        • makagutu says:

          Hitting Suzy serves a greater good that we do not understand. If Jimmy were stopped, a worse chain of events would be brought into being. This is why god allows freewill and some evil

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