da Katlick church is at it again


Child sexual abuse inquiry criticises lack of cooperation from Vatican

 

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

30 thoughts on “da Katlick church is at it again

  1. Annie James says:

    I’m not in any way justifying the behavior of the priests doing the abusing or the leaders who covered it up. Every group of people, and every religion has bad people who claim to be adherents. It doesn’t make sense to categorize a whole group by the actions of a few bad apples.

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    • makagutu says:

      Hi Annie,
      I thought the Vatican represents the catholic faithful and so saying the church is at it is actually correct.

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    • Swarn Gill says:

      But don’t you think that if cover ups of abuse or done at an institutional level, then it is fair to criticize the institution. If one cannot trust one’s religious institution to have the basic morality of protecting children over priests, this is an institution that should not exist. There is no claim here that every member of the Catholic Church is bad, and I know some Catholics that are outraged at the Church for these cover ups, but I see no major attempt to tear down and rebuild the current institution as it stands. Every single Catholic should be mad as hell at these coverups which happen locally and all the way up to the Vatican. It’s not just a few bad apples, it’s a lot bad apples that has been going on for a lot of years, and there are far too many people who will just look the other way so as not to wrestle with their own doubt of being part of a church that is so corrupt, and really has been authoritarian and corrupt since the Holy Roman Empire reared its ugly head.

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    • Assuming you are a Catholic, Annie, you have the problem that your god does nothing about this problem. So we have only a few options: you believe in an imaginary god, or your god is a vicious petty thing that has no problem with raping children.

      If you invoke “free will”, you have a problem in that this god supposedly interfered all of the time per the bible which abrogates any free will. This god once had no problem smiting people. So why does your god do nothing now?

      That “every group of people and every religion has bad people” is quite the evidence that there are no gods as claimed by apologists like you. All you want to do is claim that those Christians aren’t “TrueChristians” which is nothing more than a no true scotsman argument.

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    • judyt54 says:

      Annie it’s more than a ‘few bad apples’ it’s a LOT of bad apples, and the concerted efforts of the higher ups to protect not only the bad apples but their own fine selves as well. These are not isolated incidents.

      The first time the small town I live in experienced this was about 25 years ago, and the priest who finally turned himself in was an admitted pederast who had asked for help from the bishops, and was merely shunted from one church to the next, for several years. Basically he blew the whistle on himself. He had asked to be removed from public service, (Mass, confessions, etc) and was refused permission.

      Pedophiles cannot be cured. Turning them into eunuchs does nothing but maim them, but it doesn’t stop the desires. And pedophilia is not ‘the same as” homosexuality, although there are gays who are pedophiles as well, but not as a general rule.

      And I think the Church (any church, for that matter) has behaved with deliberate ignorance and arrogance toward all of it.

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  2. Arkenaten says:

    Iโ€™m not in any way justifying the behavior of the priests doing the abusing or the leaders who covered it up.

    This has probably been going since the Catholics invented Christianity as a defined religion, so In a sense, you are, at the very least, defending the Catholic Church.
    If this were any other organisation it would have been closed down long ago.
    Maybe pedophilia will be the straw that broke the camel’s back?

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  3. john zande says:

    It’s a Paedophile club, plain and simple.

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  4. The Catholic Church, as an institution, needs to be shut down and all its assets need to be liquidated with the cash going to the victims of its crimes. The Vatican continually refuses to take the matter of priests raping children seriously and merely playing lip service to how bad it is occasionally is not enough. Shut these bastards down!

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  5. judyt54 says:

    Rant:
    Part of the problem is twofold: the church insists on celibacy, both for nuns and priests. It houses them away from the public in retreats or parish houses. A priest’s life is secret, sacred, and personal.

    Right there is the seed for abuse. The priesthood is and always has been rife with homosexuals and “otherly oriented’ men and women, as a safe place. How could it not be? Up until about 50 years ago priests were heavy into proselytizing the mothers of newborn males, to get them to shove the poor kid into the priesthood, and as a reward the mother was promised a seat at the right hand of god. Anyone remember Pat O’Brien working the new mother over, getting her to donate her son ‘for the glory of god…” ?
    It mattered not to them if the baby was straight or gay, only that he was another notch on the belt for the recruiting priest.
    Not all priests are pedophiles (and you’d be amazed at how many Uncles and Daddies out there who are), but they pull the attention away from the others. Sadly.

    The church brought this on itself, and in that rigid hierarchy the line goes from priest to bishop to archbishop to Pope, very swiftly. The pope had the power and the knowledge to do something, he always has had, but to do so would be to open an incredibly nasty can of worms. Sadly, the good priests get hauled into it, too.

    i suspect that by now (or always, in fact) the Catholic Church will be shown to be so corrupt it makes the Borgias look like shoe salesmen. Some years ago they chose what was apparently ‘the wrong pope” and there was some surprise and consternation, publicly, about it. The poor man ‘caught a cold” a few weeks later, and died. Then they chose the right one.

    Bascially the bad apple in this instance is the always the one at the top of the tree, which gives the rest of the tree permission, covert or otherwise, to behave accordingly.

    And the Pope, while not to blameless, is appointed, and can be easily removed with poison, or the wrong meds, or any oops the archbishops could devise, should he annoy enough of them. Im surprised he’s lasted this long.

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    • makagutu says:

      I like this rant.
      Seclusion for priests and nuns is not a great idea. A few days ago I saw an this https://nypost.com/2019/11/05/catholic-church-investigating-two-nuns-who-returned-pregnant-after-missionary-trip-to-africa/. How many priests have gotten women pregnant? and run families? We will never know.

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      • judyt54 says:

        A priest is a priest for life. Or always was.That meant if he left the priesthood he would no longer be eligible to recieve the sacraments, and often he was excommunicated, the ultimate punishment. The reason so many men choose to remain as priests, even after that ‘crisis of faith”, is by the time they reach that point they are often in their later years–they have utterly no outside skills, many of them can’t even drive a car, run a load of wash in a laundromat, even prepare a meal–all the things we learn as a matter of course. It’s easier to stay than go.

        Priests and nuns are not secluded together, but in Convents for the Nuns and Seminaries for the priests, often the same one they were trained at.
        It would be very difficult for a priest in a public arena to raise a family.

        My best friend in highschool almost got trapped by a priestly intention, and his mother, a strong-willed woman, had guided him along quite firmly, but he had a mind of his own, and lot of support from friends and siblings, and at the last minute he basically took the education St. Anselm’s offered and then walked away from it. His mother was devastated.

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  6. Eric Alagan says:

    the holy see? or should it be the unholy don’t see?

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