Question for non theists


Since it appears this site is not theist friendly I have a question for non theists but theists are welcome to contribute if they so wish.

Can one believe there is a god and not be committed to that belief? The corollary is of course obvious, it seems to me likely that people can be committed to the belief in god even though the existence of gods is doubtful at the least and their non existence highly likely.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

60 thoughts on “Question for non theists

  1. john zande says:

    Are you entirely sure that question makes sense?

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  2. jim- says:

    The majority of Christians have this issue. They believe in Jesus but they obviously don’t believe Jesus and don’t do anything practical but pray for people. Probably believing because everyone else is believing.
    They believe, but doubt the strength of that belief when it comes to using it to perform the extraordinary which is promised. Really, there are no true believers or the Bible lies. Then come the explainers, those that have vested time and haven’t been offered any other options, and those that are zealots that have not yet field tested the words. After they do they’ll be committed to belief but embrace the shortcomings as their own pathetic weakness. “Help me believe”, no kidding. The story needs lots of explaining.

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  3. Flat-earthers who fly around the world are one example. Christians who have health and life insurance are another. Belief isn’t immune from people who hedge their bets.

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  4. jeremiahmyer says:

    I am a theist, a non abrahamic theist to be clear but a theist in my belief. I believe in Goddes or divinity whatever you want to call it but I also believe in evolution. Belief in one does not exclude the other.

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  5. Yes, I think some people can compartmentalize their beliefs. I have met many nonreligious and marginally-religious people who say things like “something MUST be out there” (i.e. supernatural or extra-natural beings) but who normally live in the practical world. I suppose it’s a question of how strongly a person feels about ideas which are ambiguous and empirically unknown. For me, the concept of god(s) is completely irrelevant. For others, such as religious fanatics and their philosophical adversaries, the concept is of paramount importance.

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    • Nan says:

      I think you summed it up quite well, Robert!

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    • Ubi Dubium says:

      Yes, I have a friend who doesn’t follow any religion, but thinks there still must be something “out there”.

      I can see thinking there is something, but also thinking that humans can’t really understand it, because we spend so much time disagreeing about what it is and what it wants. And that if it’s not interested enough in humans to clear up the confusion, then there’s no point in changing your life to try to suit what such a being supposedly wants, or worrying about it too much. I guess that’s kind of a deist sort of position.

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    • makagutu says:

      This is some way to put it.

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  6. rautakyy says:

    To me it seems most people believe there is some particular god, but are not really committed to that belief. The majority of people have even as their identity to belong to one religion, or a nother, but they do not act accordingly. So, what is the level, or value of their commitment?

    I have no right to declare who is a true Muslim, or true Christian, or true whatever, but I certainly am able to recognize when people do not pay any heed to their holy books. Only a small minority of Christians for example have followed the most direct and ardent commands the Jesus character gives in the New Testament to all his followers – to sell all their property and give the funds to the poor and needy, or not to have any children. Yet, all the Christians I know of express (and seem to do it sincerely) a commitment to the teachings of this Jesus character and to the divine authority they assume to be behind his words.

    If one actually believed, that the Bible was a message from the creator entity to the mankind, that (even possibly) included some fairly complicated rules about how one should act in order to awoid eternal torment, would one simply rely on the words of others and not read the damn book? Especially so, when there are so many mutually exclusive interpretations of what the alledged god demands from us in the book. Most Christians I know, however, have never bothered to read the book. It is not because they could not have read it, but because they are not very committed to it and the (honestly) fairly silly and unlikely promises the book is generally known to make. They are not really concerned about the truth, they proclaim the book represents. They simply expect themselves to be lucky enough, that they have been born into the religious culture, that out of the thousands of varying interpretations, simply happens to have the one and only correct one.

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  7. shelldigger says:

    I am fond of saying there are as many gods as there are believers.

    They may subscribe to the same sect, may go to the same church, and likely agree with much amongst themselves, but on some level they all stray outside of their teachings/doctrines. But it’s all acceptable to each and every one of them because they just know they are good with their God no matter how devious or mundane their sins.

    If people can do that and present a straight and honest air amongst themselves, then they can sure as fuck think God and evolution can coexist. Or God and racism, or God and an occasional bank robbery, or god and a just killing, etc etc etc are just fine.

    People are messed up.

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    • makagutu says:

      I am fond of saying there are as many gods as there are believers.

      this is true more than you realize. people have different ideas about what their god is, can do and all.

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  8. Butterfly says:

    I can relate…. I keep asking myself the same question, like playing safe just in case.

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