On the possibility of moral progress

Odera Oruka notes

….in matters of morals, man appears to be several centuries behind scientific and technological progress, in spite of the fact that great religions such as Christianity and Islam have existed since antiquity. The lag in moral progress must partly be blamed on these religions. Perhaps if in their place we had had the systems more oriented to earthly and worldly progress right from the beginning, the world would have been more positively different.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

12 thoughts on “On the possibility of moral progress

  1. foolsmusings says:

    I’m not sure I agree. Even in supposedly godless countries they’re managing to find new ways of controlling the populous and stifling positive creativity. Sure religion is filled with lies and deceit but people will always find conduits for spreading lies (ie Facebook)

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    • makagutu says:

      Most godless countries most likely have a past when religion held sway so that even the laws have not changed to match what we already know. And then we have many asshole in places of authority

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  2. jim- says:

    As of yesterday religion still had more doctrine pressing obedience to god, than ethical living. That obedience includes the faith that the ancient text held ultimate wisdom. It doesn’t compare to what we could do without it. There are many women here in the states that still believe their husbands and men should rule over them. That was never a good doctrine, yet here it is some thousands later.

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  3. judyt54 says:

    When you have a society where part of the population (in this case Im thinking men vs. women but it can go in any direction) seeks to control and stifle another part of the population, all of their energy goes toward that, rather than other more useful things. And those being stifled spend all their energy either surviving under that kind of regime or trying to escape it.
    Not a lot gets done in those circumstances.

    And incredibly we are still chewing on the very old fat of a book of rules that is thousands of years old. That book of rules was written with an eye to keeping people subservient and controlling at the same time. We’re trying to live a life shaped by 2000 year old rules, the emotional equivalent of forcing a woman of the 21st century to wear hobble skirts and corsets and limit her knowledge of the world to three square blocks.

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  4. Ron says:

    Do we really need to ponder this at great length? I think the key principles can be found in Robert Fulghum’s book All I Really Need To Know I Learned in Kindergarten:

    – Share.
    – Play fair
    – Don’t hit people.
    – Don’t take things that aren’t yours.
    – Put things back where you found them.
    – Clean up your own mess.
    – Say you’re sorry when you hurt somebody.
    – Flush.
    – Wash your hands before you eat.
    – Take a nap every afternoon.
    – When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together.
    – Live a balanced life: learn some and drink some and draw some and paint some and sing and dance and play and work everyday some.

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    • makagutu says:

      I think we need to.
      What would be your minimum of fair? Does it include fair wages? Maternity & paternity leave? Wealth redistribution 😀, abolition of the military complexes everywhere?


      • Ron says:

        Play fair in this context means granting others the same liberties you grant yourself and/or fulfilling the same obligations you impose upon others.


  5. Sometimes I wonder if it’s religion that’s the roadblock to ethical progress or if it’s the underlying lack of intellectual integrity. It doesn’t take faith to put feelings before facts. Nor does it take holy dogma to use unethical means to achieve an efficient end.

    How do we know we’re not creating the new age of macabre society?

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