It is a conclusion of this site that the problem of evil remains unresolved for classical theism.
I found this view of the problem quite hilarious.
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basically this is either a stupid oik, or pretends to be. He knows he’s gonna be in a traffic snarl, every day, so he should be prepared. He has a car, he has a media player other than the radio (most cars do, these days) and if he’s so annoyed by the local stations, load up some music and listen to that instead of whining.
this: ” My special problem is that I am unprepared when my 12-minute commute turns into 25 minutes. I’ve got nothing. Three quasi-classic rock stations that play the same 100 songs. A person can only take so much of Bruce Springsteen’s “Glory Days.” ”
He lost my vote (not that he ever had one) right there.
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His point is that traffic snarl is a mess that has no redeeming feature like a toothache.
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I just can’t find the analogy to evil in all of that. And often, evil is in the eye of the beholder, and a very slippery slope to deal with. Evil is what you say it is, from skirts that are too short to axe murderers.
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I don’t see the analogy between a traffic jam and evil, either. Traffic jams are in fact the result of TOO MUCH GOOD. The money to own and operate private automobiles, the choice to live an autosexual lifestyle that mandates long commutes so one can live in a faux-rural suburban setting like the other members of the “gentry”. It’s a problem caused by too much.
Traffic jams have been a reality of urban areas for millennia. Ancient Roman nabobs wrote witty complaints around the turn of the millennium!
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Traffic jams continue to exit because of man’s failure in planning among others.
I think for the theologian, the point is that just like we suffer and see no reason to it, traffic jam too has no redeeming value.
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After decades in the field, I am more skeptical than you, Maka. There is only so much “planning” can do. Human beings and human economies are too complicated and too contradictory for planning to solve things miraculously 🙂 I stand by my original comment: the wealth that permits widespread use of private automobiles, along with the preference for such, the vast marketing machine, and the movement towards suburbia all help create traffic jams. There is never enough money for enough freeways, and all the new freeway lanes do is induce more demand for ever more distant commuting. Broadacre City!
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the private automobile brought hell to cities and engineers think by making roads wider, they will solve the problem. They behave like a fat person who instead of cutting weight buys a size bigger every time and feels good about it and shortly after has to buy another size bigger
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The comments were even better than the article. “If Heavy Traffic Makes You Question God’s Existence, You’re Not Alone” And who or what caused the heavy traffic? according to one commenter it was the liberals because they didn’t want to build roads in the country. That jem got 31 upvotes. laughable.
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Laughable is an understatement
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The comments are frightening.
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The comments could only have been written by nutjobs
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Nah. Just everyday AMERICANS. Remember. Trump is not the problem. We are. (Speaking for my cohorts)
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Everyday Americans are nuts, it seems
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what’s frightening is that isn’t just one, but many. You can laugh at one man on a rampage against something inanimate, but when you get large numbers on the same rampage, it becomes dangerous, like thousands of annoyed bison, taking out a town because it was in their way.
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I think that’s what I find very disturbing. It wasn’t one person but many people going on and on
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This is where the internet has failed us. It’s breeds and feeds dumb.
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The internet should be seen as a truly democratic space: everyone has their say however ridiculous
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In principle, yes. But is allowing cancer cells to link up prudent?
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To not allow them to speak would be to deny them a fundamental right.
We expect a democratic society would vote freely to elect a theocracy that would deny them fundamental freedoms.
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Apologies, I wasn’t clear.
Not deny them the right to speak, but deny them (everyone) a fact-free bubble. Net echo-chambers are the problem. We are *supposed* to live in a marketplace of ideas, a memetic space subject to fundamental evolutionary forces, but these echo-chambers are isolated from the cleansing forces of natural selection.
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You are assuming the mass of humanity is rational. We are not. We are only generally capable of being rational and as such, this is expected.
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I think the population of kooks is always about a third. Almost two thirds are bell curve normal, and a handful (i’ve seen 7% mentioned) are sociopaths.
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1/3 are still many & they generally are loud.
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That’s the problem. It’s a false majority.
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Those who know usually are a bit careful but this small minority is confident in their ignorance. It’s hard to beat them
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Came across a wonderful Asimov quote this morning. He’s talking about the US, but I think it’s universal:
“There is a cult of ignorance in the U.S., has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political/cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge” (Isaac Asimov)
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Yeah, it is universal.
I like this quote
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That was my favorite comment too!
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It was liberals who think paying taxes is evil.
On a related note, one of my favorite comments from here in Califirenia is from a former resident of Paradise, which tragically burned last year. Now, Paradise is the epitome of a low density sprawling town in an unsafe faux-rural setting that is just primed for fire. Now, insurance companies don’t want to insure the replacement homes. This conservative faux-rural individual opined that because he and his salt of the earth kind despise living in dense cities, the taxpayers should subsidize the faux rural lifestyle. With tax money. Butte County went heavily for Trump, of course.
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So basically they are on their own
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Well, given your faith (LOL) in planning, Paradise should not exist. As good planners, we should not be encouraging its rebuilding?
As good Conservative, Gun-Owning, Trump-Voting Americans, how can the former Paradise resident advocate for anything but being on his own? His argument is the epitome of hypocrisy.
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i might have some faith in planning (not a lot, I must add) but I have very little in people. I have seen what my fellow drivers do whenever there is a small hold up and I am convinced we claim to be rational to feel good about ourselves.
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Light traffic and great parking spaces make me think of Jesus.
(That guy teaches???)
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Yes. That guy teaches at a university!
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*U.S. University. They seem to award the title to the strangest excuses for an institution.
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Dude is a professor! I want to be a professor
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You too!? I thought I was the only one! 🙂
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I agree with your assessment of the linked article’s humor. However, the author, as a seminary professor, knows his daily schedule and can plan his commute accordingly. Perhaps his deity hasn’t relayed that inspiration to him yet. Good post, my Kenyan brother! 🙂 Naked hugs!
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The comments certainly offer little hope to humanity. The backasswards blame game is truly incredible. If there is a god, he is an idiot. If you can see the hand of the creator by observing his ultimate creation… we’re fucked.
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I don’t know how the comments moved to a competition between liberals and consideration
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Cause them damned libtards are pure evil! Ain’t nuttin’ dat goes wrong in da world dat ain’t due ta dem pansy-ass mo’fo’s! If’n dey only had der hearts full’a da luv’o Jeebus, dey’d be decvent humans like us Christians! Down wit da libs! I hates ’em!
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There is no hope for some people.
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Especially theologians caught in traffic jams! 🙂
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Exactly.
I think it is easy to make professor in theology.
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I surely hope so
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He sure took up a lot of space to say traffic is horrible. And to try to relate it to something spiritual? He needs to stick to his day job.
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His day job is teaching theology. I am not sure he will do any better.
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not only did he manage to say traffic was horrible, it was somehow implied (or stated, my memory forbids me to go back and read it) that it was Our Fault. The non-believers, the sinners, the wastrels, who caused the traffic snarl in the first place.
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Heathens causing traffic snarl ups every where
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But since the almighty GAWD was responsible for creating us heathens, and because every single thing is according to his sacred and detailed Ineffable Plan:
1. We are Gawd’s special children too.
2. The Traffic Jam is God’s fault, because everything is ultimately God’s fault.
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in a world where god is omnibenevolent, traffic jam is its problem
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By definition, a traffic jam caused by God cannot be a “problem”. The traffic jam, just like the tsunami that killed 100,000 heathens, is all part of His ineffable Plan. As a member of The Chosen People (White American), I do not suffer from Tsunamis because I am beloved of the Lawd! By definition! /sarc
(Ewwwwww. Even pretending to be a Calvinist makes me feel a little dirty).
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All things caused by god are good. Is it possible for something to be without god willing it?
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