On suffering

Mother Teresa while living the high life encouraged the sick in Calcutta to suffer with Jesus or god whatever the case maybe arguing in the process that suffering has redemptive value.

If this argument is taken to its logical conclusion, we should be expected to increase the suffering of those already suffering so that their redemption should be greater. It would, by this logic, be cruel to attempt to reduce the suffering of a neighbour or anyone for that matter.

Question then is, why is this not happening? Is it the case that people don’t think suffering is redemptive or they are afraid to see it to its very logical ends?

Enquiring minds want to know.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

30 thoughts on “On suffering

  1. judyt54 says:

    I don’t know about the Protestant side of things, but I do know the Catholic Church revels in suffering-as-redemption, possibly with the idea that if you burn here on earth (figuratively or literally) you won’t burn after you die. Suffering is good. Suffering is cleansing. It scours out all the megrims and the miseries and makes you clean and noble and pure so that when you finally die God will be so pleased with your sacrifices he will anoint you with whatever God anoints his chosen few. You are supposed to offer up your pain and agony as Jesus did, to the glory of God.
    Whatever that all means in English..
    In Catholic-speak, it means we are not going to heal you, or feed you, or make your life easier. You bought into this, and it’s not our problem.

    When I look at that, it would seem that the Protestants go the other way. They pray at you, and over you, and tell you to pray for your salvation and healing. The cat’lics tell you the suffereing is GOOD. Do more.

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    • makagutu says:

      I think the argument of the inquisitors was that since one was already destined for eternal fire, theirs was just a preparation, a favour sort of. And maybe this is what informs most of Catholic theology.
      The protestants having really forgot what it is they were protesting have changed the narrative. God wants you to prosper and suffering only means you are not praying well enough or there are gays in your community that need exorcism.

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  2. renudepride says:

    Perhaps they are concentrating so very much on suffering as much as possible that they are continuing to neglect the myth of redemption? Who knows but I am certain there’s an ulterior motive somewhere! ๐Ÿ™‚ Naked hugs!

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    • judyt54 says:

      as a species man has always needed to believe in something god-like to explain things that scared the bejabbers out of him: comets, thunder, mysterious star showers (not to mention the mysterious stars themselves) and the way people went to sleep and never woke up again.

      So he made up creation stories, and gods roaring across the heavens dragging the sun behind them, or local gods (elves, pixies, sprites) that were the helpers and mischief makers. Every single culture that survived has had gods to explain things.
      We now have scientists which aren’t nearly as colorful or interesting, and many people cling to their god(s) and mysterious heavens to explain stuff.

      Thus the original motive, ulterior or otherwise, was to comfort themselves in the dark. As man became wiser and more sophisticated he began to see the usefulness of these gods to direct traffic. And so he did. He still does, but it gets harder and harder every decade.

      If you view the emotional and sophisticated growth of man as a species to that of a young child, you can see the parallels. And children are taught by fairy tales. Red Riding Hood, Grimm’s Fairy Tales, Cinderella. All of them have a moral.
      I think we are emotionally entering early adolescence: we’ve given up on Santa, for the most part, but not entirely. I’m truly curious what comes next.


      • makagutu says:

        I think we are emotionally entering early adolescence: weโ€™ve given up on Santa, for the most part, but not entirely. I’m truly curious what comes next.

        I like this


      • basenjibrian says:

        Are we all that much wiser, though? It seems that we just find other beliefs and fallacies to justify doing what we want to do? For example, a good percentage of the population thinks it is WONDERFUL to follow blindly a multi-bankrupt, irreligious, adulterous narcissist showing serious signs of dementia. Some use religion to justify this, but it is shocking the nonsense that the irreligious Trumpalos can come up with.

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    • makagutu says:

      well, they believe there is redemption at the other side of the grave. why they continue to believe this is the real question

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  3. Could never stand the sight of that woman, & got even worse after reading Hitch’s book.

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  4. judyt54 says:

    yep, and she had the sort of skin that looked like a good dose of lotion would do it a world of good…
    that wasn’t piety she was exuding, that was nunly arrogance. Mother indeed.


  5. I think everyone should suffer more – for my amusement.

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  6. foolsmusings says:

    She was a frightening and disturbed woman who seemingly enjoyed watching others die in agony. In any other setting sheโ€™d be considered a psychopath, instead sheโ€™s remembered as a saint.

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  7. Christians make me suffer with their insufferable babbling and continuous preaching, and I in no way feel closer to Jeebus because of said suffering. I merely wish they’d SHUT UP all ready. ๐Ÿ™‚

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