A word of advice to believers

but to Christian apologists especially. Don’t be like this fellow.

How many people are represented by Richard Dawkins? Or what would one make of this

Many atheists (e.g., Richard Dawkins) spend much of their time railing against the Creator they believe doesn’t exist, and they hold their cause with great devotion and faith.

Against the 7 dimensions of religion, I will say a few things.

On Narrative

It should be noted there were atheists before Darwin. Simon should read the work of Jean Messlier which should cure his ignorance. Messlier’s Last Will and Testament which is a polemic against religion appeared 100 years before Darwin put pen to paper to write the Origin of species.

Experiential, Social, and Ritual

That some atheists meet on a regular basis on a Sunday no less doesn’t make it a religion. Community is deeply human. To want to be in community with like minded fellows does not make the gathering any less human.


I am yet to meet a Santa Claus believer who has threatened my neighbour with hell. Religious people are everywhere selling their religions. To counteract their claims is not religious. It is the duty of all intelligent men and women.


There is nothing stopping a moral relativist from making an ethical claim. Besides, among atheists there is to be found a broad spectrum of belief; from moral relativists, realists, objectivists etc. Atheists don’t exist as one homogeneous group with identical beliefs.

This claim by Stephen

This is not to say that you do not need to profess belief in God to argue morality, but you do need God to have absolute morality.

is quite the stretch.


That NDT said “Accepting our kinship with all life on earth is not only solid science, in my view, it’s also a soaring spiritual experience” doesn’t mean all atheists say the same thing. There is a fallacy here.

His final claim is so ridiculous it doesn’t warrant a response.

There is a better response to the above trope here.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

43 thoughts on “A word of advice to believers

  1. I do have to say that I find it very funny when a Christian seemingly can’t find a more insulting term for atheists than accusing them of having “religion”. It seems a very twisted attempt to claim that atheists can’t hold theists accountable since they are “just like us.”

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  2. judyt54 says:

    sometimes when you look at someone you look at them as a mirror for your own beliefs, feelings, whatever. Narcissists in particular do this–they gain comfort and strength from like-minded people, since most Narcissists are really dependent on approval from everyone, and feed on it. It proves to them that they exist and have value. Sad, ain’t it.

    And when a Christian of the narcissist persuasion looks at an atheist, he gets angry because he sees, not a believer that validates his own faith, but a non-believer that tells him bupkis. Nothing. Nada. He sees someone who doesn’t care about his beliefs and says so.

    No wonder they get angry, they threaten us with what to them is the most dire punishment of all, loss of heaven, and eternity in Hell. And to make it even worse, we don’t care. We don’t respond to the threats, and it’s a wonder more of them don’t just haul off and pop us on the nose.

    Remember, these guys are telling you what THEY feel, not what you feel. When they call you a liar, that means they are the liars. When they say, “I hate a “thief”, start paying attention and count the silver after they leave.

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    • makagutu says:

      They invented hell and now are afraid of it. To imagine there are atheists around must be a thorn in their flesh; the possibility that someone can live without their religion must be a thought impossible to bear

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  3. “..you do need God to have absolute morality.” This is totally true, and it is why I’m such a devout Muslim. You see, without my deep faith in Allah, the Koran, and all they teach, I would not have come to understand what heathens and demons the infidel Christians are. They profess an evil and false faith. They attack atheists, who are, indeed, damned to hell, but do not understand that they, too, in the eyes of the One, True God, Allah, are also non-believers and false lying infidels. The Christian who wrote the piece you cite will one day awake in the burning fires of hell next to Richard Dawkins and realize that he too professed and preached lies and falsehoods to the world. Oh, but to be a fly on the wall in hell that day to see the expression on this infidels face! Hahahahahahahaha!!! $Allahu Akbar$

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  4. Ron says:

    The Oxford English Dictionary also defines religion as “a particular system of faith and worship” and “a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.” Under that second definition of religion, atheism is religious.

    Yes. But under that relaxed second definition, so is just about everything else. However, I suspect the author would be less than enthusiastic to support the constitutional right of nudists to promote their “religious” views in public schools.

    And unless I’m reading it wrong, removing the double negative from:

    “This is not to say that you do not need to profess belief in God to argue morality, but you do need God to have absolute morality.”

    . . . renders the following:

    “This is to say that you do need to profess belief in God to argue morality, but you do need God to have absolute morality.”

    . . . which is demonstrably false.

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  5. Arkenaten says:

    From the post.

    If you live in the UK or Europe, why not think about joining us and learn how to defend the Christian faith and share the gospel message effectively.

    What a crock of shit …

    There’s a very good reason there are no similar groups whose specific aim is to defend gravity for example) -.simply jump out of a two story window.

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    • basenjibrian says:

      If you read theoretical physics blogs, they are almost religious in their wars over arcane theories (and the need to spend billions on ever bigger particle accelerators).

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      • Arkenaten says:

        There’s one chap, Dr Michael Strauss, who’s an experimental particle physicist currently working at CERN and somewhat of a hard nosed Christian.
        I suspect you would probably have a very interesting conversation with him!


      • maryplumbago says:

        I know what you mean. Some theoretical physicists search for the cosmic mind, quantum connections, time relativity and the like to prove some sort of afterlife and ultimate creator, like a religion. Now there could be something to this, that our meager human brain cannot grasp or experience, but I have my doubts.

        But I much prefer to give this view some credit, as opposed to the fanciful, cruel, judging condescension of the Abrahamic religions and their lust for revenge.


        • basenjibrian says:

          That’s what I don’t get. The kinder fundies burble about THE GOOD NEWZ, but to me their religion is horrifying and wicked. A Celestial North Korea. Why is there this need to be spied upon by some Celestial Headmaster. As the Heathen Chinese are demonstrating, human beings are more than capable about setting up a totalitarian Panopticon without divine assistance.

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