is it rational to believe in god


Well, who knew scientists were polled and their verdict was it is rational to believe in god. So Brian and Jeff, find the nearest church near you and ask to join.

Will Jones opening salvo is a fallacious argument. The bible says there is a god and the bible says it is rational to believe in its god. You can see where there is going. Downhill all the way! Jones calls as his witnesses Plato and Aristotle but unfortunately this doesn’t help his cause. To Aristotle, the number of gods could be 47 or 55. This is not all for Diagoras and Theodoras flatly denied that there were any gods at all and many other ancient philosophers did not agree on the nature of god(s).

Had the being of god been obvious, there would have been no need for apologetics. Jones tells us

However, Bible-believing Christians have generally stuck by the classical and biblical view that the existence of God is something for which sufficient reasons are supplied by the light of nature.

which is interesting because humanity have managed to explain things that were believed to belong to the domain of the gods but Christians have stuck to their old conceptions as if time has remained static and we have collectively as a race done nothing towards knowledge acquisition.

Jones disagrees with Spufford whom he quotes as having written

No, I can’t prove it,’ Spufford says. ‘I don’t know if there’s a God (and neither do you, and neither does Professor Dawkins . . . it isn’t the kind of thing you can know. It isn’t a knowable item).’

and calls the above anti-rational idea which tells me he would disagree also with Pascal who in his Pensees argues reason can help you make the ascent to the being of a god. You must forget reason. And have faith. While we are here, I don’t know of anyone who became a believer because he heard Francis Collins is a believer. In fact, this post by Ark might be helpful on this point.

Seeing that his arguments lack substance, Jones then calls as a witness to his god the fine tuning argument. Any argument that depends on an inference of design a posteriori was dealt a blow by Hume many years ago. Maybe if Jones had read Hume, he might not have called this witness to the stand. This is the only fine tuning argument I am willing to get behind.

In a world with an omni god as the Christians claim their god is, free will is not possible. While Jones want us to believe that without his god, we can’t have morals, he forgets that eons passed before some desert goat herders dreamed their religion and some European missionaries decided to spread this nonsense around the world.

While I agree with the first part of this statement

Ultimately, Francis Spufford is wrong about human beings: we are not entirely controlled by our feelings, and reason is not and ought not to be, as David Hume had it, ‘the slave of the passions’. Whatever else we are, we are rational animals, possessed of a reasoning mind, capable of recognizing and responding to truth when we see it, including the truth of God.

it shouldn’t be lost on us that Jones intended to demonstrate that belief in god is rational. This he has failed to do.

This

Seasoned apologist John Lennox spoke at Coventry Cathedral recently on the evidence for a Creator, and a colleague of mine went along with an atheist friend. Afterwards the friend turned to him and said: ‘I now believe in a Creator God.’ That is the power of truth.

is funny. Who would believe such drivel really?

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

35 thoughts on “is it rational to believe in god

  1. judyt54 says:

    Whatever else we are, we are rational animals, possessed of a reasoning mind, capable of recognizing and responding to truth when we see it, including the truth of God.

    Yes indeedy. That’s why we are impeaching a President, because all those reasoning minds out there think he is the second coming, and will save us all from.. from…maybe the third coming.

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  2. judyt54 says:

    oops forgot the question, lol.
    it’s only rational to believe in god, any god, any number of gods, if you believe it is. If you don’t, it isn’t.

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  3. maryplumbago says:

    A rational mind doesn’t believe in things that don’t make rational sense.
    This belief business must be some built in property of DNA, throughout evolution, to give many humans two things.

    The ability to feel superior over others and we’ve seen where that leads.

    And a way to avoid the cold hard truth of total non existence once you are dead.

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    • makagutu says:

      To inquisition, crusades and pogroms.
      A rational mind would make a choice; either the universe was created 6000 years ago in a miraculous event and as such nothing matters or the universe is a result of natural processes over time & the fine tuning then is irrelevant.

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  4. jim- says:

    It’s no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society—Can’t remember who said that.
    Really, belief, gullibility since birth, and the reward faith offers by doing something most can’t help but do is just too much for a majority of herd bound mammals to resist.

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  5. judyt54 says:

    I really think the idea of a god or gods wheeling across the heavens was the primitive man’s only answer/ response to the terrifying spectacle of a ball of fire rising every morning, hurtling across the sky and down the other side every night. Chased by the moon, which was slowly eroded away by some invisible animal and then grew back again.

    There was no one to tell them anything else, and so the idea that SOMETHING was in control must have been much more soothing than a ball of fire up there, whipping over their heads. Don’t forget, they didn’t know about planets, or distances, or gravity, or any of that stuff.
    You spend your new fragile earth bound lives for centuries in a dark cave, only to come out and find fire in the sky?
    We are the animal that needs explanations, rational or otherwise. And you take what the shaman comes up with.

    Rational has nothing to do with.it, for most people. And people were milling about long before the Bible was invented, trying to make sense out of darkness, and stars, and eclipses and death. When you can’t make sense out of them, you make stories up and give those stories to gods.

    Primitive tribes weren’t heavy on thought, only fear and spears. Sadly, they willed that stuff to many of their modern descendants.

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  6. “Whatever else we are, we are rational animals, possessed of a reasoning mind, capable of recognizing and responding to truth when we see it, including the truth of God.”

    most if not all theists say this and then claim that the other theists are wrong when they make the same argument.

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  7. The pervasive and persistent belief in god(s) proves that humankind is generally irrational. We tend to believe what we want to believe; and, those who rely instead upon evidence and reason are the rare exception.

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  8. It is belief in the RIGHT god that is rational. All other beliefs are irrational and wrong. This is why I’m a Muslim. The Koran says it is not to be doubted, and to doubt such a thing would not be rational. 🙂

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  9. john zande says:

    It’s rational in so far as it is a panacea with very real benefits for the believer.

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  10. Scottie says:

    Hello makagutu. I have a question that is OT but seems to about refuges in Kenya and threats to them. I was wondering if you could let me know if this is a real situation or am I being misled. Hugs
    OH crap, I just realized if I post the link it will show up here. Sorry but I really wanted your opinion. Hugs

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    • makagutu says:

      I will watch it when I am on my computer. I traveled

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      • Scottie says:

        Hello makagutu. I am sorry to ask you as I do not like to burden people I care for, but the video talks about abuses of refugees in Kenya. You are the only one I know who can refute this if it is wrong. Thanks. Enjoy your travels, I have learned a lot of your area of the world from your blog, not to mention the different essays and books you post about. Hugs

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    • makagutu says:

      Now that i have listened to this, Scottie, it does seem to me a Somali/ Islam problem rather than a Kenyan administrative issue. The country is generally secular even though the religious make close to 90%. And refugee camps are a different matter altogether. For example Dabaab have a majority Muslim population so being an apostate there would be just as tricky as trying to be an apostate in Saudi or Indonesia.

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