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I will keep this in mind when I am working on my retelling of Gilgamesh.
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Very important
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A lie gets half way around the world while truth is still getting its boots on.
(A quote with many false attributions)
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They say, the first casualty in war is truth.
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are there facts or not?
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Not to those who deal in propaganda. That line of what is factual and what is not seems to be erased
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so is there truth or not? I’m not sure what you intend by that quote you posted.
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That quote was advice given to one US president about to start a war. I can’t recall which war but it has been used successfully since.
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I’m asking again: is there truth or not? It shouldn’t be a hard question to answer.
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Maybe I wasn’t clear in my last answer. I thought by giving you context, you would understand it is not my claim there is no truth.
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can you explain why you posted that quote then? I’m not understanding why if you don’t agree with it.
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If I only posted what I agreed with, this would be worse than a soapbox
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that doesn’t make much sense to me, Mak. If you act as an outlet for bad ideas, and don’t indicate what you think about them, it makes things confusing.
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It depends on what one considers “truths” and “falsehoods”. And as clubschadenfreude
asks above, are “truths” and “facts” synonymous? I’m not convinced that they are.
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I don’t dispute the claim that there are facts. For a person spreading propaganda, that line is thin or nonexistent
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The problem is many of our most pressing debates are not easily answered with “facts”. Too many things are matters of opinion, preference, bias, “heritage,” and supernatural beliefs. I was just perusing Rational Wiki and there is a movement in the United States called the New Apostolic Reformation that believes literally that Oprah Winfrey is the precursor to the antichrist. (They are big in Uganda and Kenya, also),. How can one argue “facts” with a “Prophetess” from the NAR who believes she is a Prayer Warrior who rebuked recent hurricanes. (Ineffectively, I might note. But they never call these self-appointed holy nitwits when the prophecies don’t come true. Let alone stoning them to death as the Bible demands)
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I have nothing to add here.
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A virtuous call to “Science” is also an ineffective technique many liberalish secularists use. 🙂 As if Science is some outside force and not (merely) a process used by fallible, often nasty human beings. The Stalags were very scientific and well-engineered. 😦
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I mean, those who make bombs with depleted uranium or plutonium are following good science.
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