Most times this paradox is formulated as can god create a square triangle? To which many apologists have said their god can only do things that are logical. They have further argued that this doesn’t diminish omnipotence but I am not persuaded. Same apologists believe an ass has spoken, a snake walked and a floor covered the entire earth surface.
Can god make a tall person short? Or a black person white? If not, why? Is there any logical contradiction in the above questions?
Or am I missing something?
Random thoughts 
I have pretty much come to the conclusion that “omnipotent” is just a mistaken spelling of “impotent”.
You only have to look at Christians. They either make excuses for their god, or they act on their god’s behalf. It’s as if they know that their god cannot actually do anything.
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This is quite well said.
Some Muslims behead those who disagree with them and claim they are acting on behalf of heaven.
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Well, if God can only act within the rules of logic why can man dream of illogical things?
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Freewill😄
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The good book informs us that with God all things are possible: virgin births, wise fools, skeptical believers and 1=3. So illogical things appear to be well within the realm of possibility.
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You have not listened to apologists, Ron, when they defend their god’s inability to make square circles.
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As consoled reader notes below, there can be no such thing as a square circle because a circle is a human defined concept with a clear definition.
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I agree fully. If this be case then, I don’t see how one can successfully ask about such a paradox because all the terms are humanly defined including what god is
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They obviously lack faith in God’s omnipotence. Quelle surprise!
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I think so. They have redefined omnipotence to mean being able to do only those things that do not include a contradiction.
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Everything in the universe is an indication of modalities of God. We don’t know everything about the universe so we can’t know everything about God. God transcends logic. I think Theologians are the problem.
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It seems theologians have done their god a disservice since the beginning of time
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Supposed that we are all to seek understanding of God directly through nature, almost everyone will arrive at the same conclusion.
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The nature that includes exploding stars, volcanoes, hurricanes, deadly viruses, sharks, parasites, and poisonous plants? Seems like such a search would lead to a very similar conclusion about the nature (and worship worthiness) of your god as a closing reading of the Bible does.
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I’m not sure you understand my point. Nature is indifferent not immoral. The same nature gave us oxygen, edible plants, fruits, rain, an immune system, the gift of imagination, joy, happiness etc. When I search for God I search for the good in nature.
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Honestly I don’t see the situations as being the same. The paradox deals with an object that is nonsensical (I can’t even imagine what a square triangle is in the first place) while the comparison examples deal with actions/events that are just improbable (I could
imagine a talking animal or a tall person transforming into a short person, even if I don’t believe these things happen in reality).
It seems to me there is difference in asking can God do something that is logically impossible (the ideas themselves are contradictory) versus can God do something fantastical (make animal talk with human speech).
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Excellent points. We are arguing over whether or not God can defy HUMAN-created definitions. A circle has, by its nature, a definition. So “square circle” doesn’t really make sense in that it requires “God” to contradict a human definition.
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Why would what we consider logically impossible apply to god too?
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By definition, “omnipotence” means unlimited power. Hence, the term is nonsensical by definition, despite the apologetic attempts to place a square peg in a round hole.
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This reminds me of the “can the dog make a rock so big, even she cannot pick it up?” problem.
When you institue magical powers for basis of your beliefs, you set yourself up for being called on bullshit! Hence theologians.
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There are those who think theology is important for the race, that it is a source of truth, allegorical truth.
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Well, I don’t hang around any of those guys. (that I know of)
Let them play with their superior insights into fantasyland. I’ll be over here where shit still stinks and obvious bloviated nonsense deserves no defending. 🙂
I’m no stranger to fables and babble stories hiding some shoddily hidden moral to the story. It is where the theologian claims to know that only they have a proper understanding to their particular religious B.S., that is where I become irritated with them. It’s like me claiming to know more of the invisible leprechaun in the flowerbed than you.
Self proclaimed experts in bullshit (preachers, con men, theologians,) are of little use to society IMO. I know, I have one still stinking up the White House.
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Hate to break it to you, but the White House and U.S. Congress have been occupied by con men since the 1780s and will continue to be occupied by same until “we the people” amass the will to end the circus.
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I see, you have as low opinion of the highest office on the land as I do of ours. Our first president was an outright thief. The second was a thief, with a narrow view, the third was a thief and the less said of the fourth the better. But all I can say of our fourth president is what is written in the 18th Brumaire- history repeats itself first as tragedy then as farce
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Welcome to the club. Like the 13 colonies, you’ve banished one tyrant (monarchy) only to discover it’s been replaced by another one (oligarchy). As history has patiently shown us, those who aspire to positions of power are only in it for themselves. It’s a hard lesson to learn; which is probably why it gets repeated over and over.
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But they call themselves representatives of the people. I look at the laws our legislature passes and I wonder how they square that in their conscience as elected representatives.
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I don’t think they lose too much sleep over it.
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No, they don’t. Why would they anyway?
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You see the white house had its bullshit advisor in the name of Paula White. Religion is of utility to those in power.
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