thank god i am not a believer


because if I did and wrote something like this, I should be accused of blasphemy. The juicy part that caught my eye is

People in Hell exist. I think this is the most tragic, but also the most tragically beautiful part. Going back to Point 3: all things that exist only exist because God loves them into existence and holds them in existence through His love. Thus, the fact that people in Hell don’t just “disappear into oblivion” is because God is constantly saying to each one of those souls, “I love you, exist in my love. I love you, exist in my love.” Every single soul in Hell is as loved by God as souls in Heaven, Earth, and Purgatory. But, as Point 4 notes: Hell is a prison that is locked from the inside. 

God loves you enough to keep you in hell but not to forgive you and send you to stay in heaven with him. I don’t know what understanding of love this is, but it is the kind I am sure I don’t want. I think this is hat happens when one is committed to a position that is indefensible. You try gymnastics to make it sound reasonable but it doesn’t work.

God loves, even in hell, it just will not get you out.

About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

75 thoughts on “thank god i am not a believer

  1. maryplumbago says:

    Freddie Mercury quote…
    “Oh, I was not made for heaven. No, I don’t want to go to heaven. Hell is much better. Think of all the interesting people you’re going to meet down there”

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  2. Ron says:

    “I love you, exist in my love. I love you, exist in my love.”

    I imagine Kim Jong-un comforts his subjects with similar expressions of fondness.

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  3. jim- says:

    This mindset is how Christian theology learns to accept their insignificant status in the universe. God has his only son—we are only tolerated by his good graces. We’re orphans without even a mother here on probation—owing every breath of our existence o a master who has us here through sufferance. And we never know where we stand. I love you, but… Your lucky I don’t just wipe you all out and you’d better be grateful. What a lousy way to be brought up.

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    • makagutu says:

      I think abrahamic faiths should abandon hell. It doesn’t help their case at all.

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      • basenjibrian says:

        I disagree. It is a perfect recruiting/control tool. Obey us (the religious leaders) or you will suffer for eternity. We are the only true religion. Believe like we demand and you will live forever. Disbelieve, and suffer. Cheat us, and the Lord will strike you down!

        Very useful theology for a growing cult.

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  4. Yeah. Brilliant stuff. Can’t possibly see why anyone would have problems with logical, pure reasoning like this. Ah, don’cha just love dem der Christians?!

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  5. renudepride says:

    Perhaps the supposed deity should hire you as a “consultant” to correct his numerous divine mistakes! 😉 I’m certain said deity can create enough gold to make it worth your energy and time! Naked hugs!

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    • makagutu says:

      I think the deity is doing poorly at the marketing department. This is gross incompetence

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      • renudepride says:

        Amen to that, my Kenyan brother!

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      • basenjibrian says:

        But yet…it is only the more…fervent…sects within the cults that seem to be growing…or maintaining their numbers and influence. Sad to see.

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        • makagutu says:

          It is sad. How people continue to believe in the most of absurd things is beyond sad

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          • Ron says:

            I know. When I see all the sheeple wearing masks outdoors to protect themselves against a potential illness with a 99.96% recovery rate attests to just how absurd some of those beliefs can truly be. Thankfully, more and more states are finally waking up to say “enough of this silliness” and plotting a course back to normal.

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            • Nan says:

              Of course! “Normal” is what we ALL want! Let me repeat that … NORMAL is what we all want!

              But 518,456 Deaths in the U.S. (3/3/21) alone from COVID-19 is not normal! And if it takes some inconvenience on the part of everybody to keep that number from going any higher, so be it.

              I dunno’, Ron. I know you’ve been fighting this from the beginning and I just don’t understand why you’re so dead set against ALL of us taking precautions to not only protect ourselves, but to keep it from spreading to others … friends and families as well as strangers.

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              • basenjibrian says:

                I do agree that wearing a mask inside one’s own car is a little…silly…if harmless. (Certainly less harmful than Church bigots holding services or nasty Karens demanding to be served without a mask). I am also skeptical about wearing a mask outside when not in close proximity to other people. But I am not making that skepticism the basis of my politics a la California’s Governing Newsome recall.

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              • Ron says:

                I’ve already provided the links showing that the people most affected are:

                – over 80
                – suffer from two or more chronic health problems
                – and reside in care homes, where you would expect health precautions to be the greatest.

                In one of those links the CDC reported that less than 6% of the “COVID” deaths had no pre-existing conditions.

                And the highest risk factor overall is obesity:

                https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/06/01/david-kass-obesity-covid-19

                https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19-and-Obesity-The-2021-Atlas.pdf (long load time)

                . . . which is the reason why I’ve been enthusiastically advocating for the adoption of a healthy diet, exercise, rest, hydration and fresh air for the past ten months.

                The masks offer little to no protection (the side of the box they come in clearly states that they are not intended for medical use and offer no protection against COVID-19), and most likely increase your health risks because they not only impede your ability to breathe normally but also create a moist environment that becomes an ideal breeding ground for bacteria to multiply and be breathed back in.

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                • Nan says:

                  Yes, the death rates lean towards the elderly … so does this mean only the elderly should wear masks?

                  I agree — CHEAP masks (which many/most people buy and wear) provide minimal protection. Nonetheless, I still contend they play a role in limiting the spread of the virus. Medical authorities continue to repeat it is the (infected) particles emanating from speech and breath and sneezes that pass on the virus. So restricting this (even with cheap masks) seems to be a good thing, IMO.

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                  • Ron says:

                    Based on the data, it’s apparent that being elderly is less of a factor than being elderly and suffering from serious health conditions, the most common of which are heart and lung disease. Obviously no change in lifestyle will correct course for those now suffering from end of life illnesses, so they will have to continue taking precautions. But the focus of attention for the rest of the population should center upon improving one’s health rather than attempting to dodge illness; and all the measures suggested to date have only served to exacerbate the situation, because alcoholism, substance abuse, suicides and domestic violence have all skyrocketed over the past year.

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            • makagutu says:

              The two groups of people who leave me shaking my head are cyclists riding towards oncoming traffic, no blinkers no helmet but by George, they wear masks and the people I meet early in my morning runs donning masks while running.

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              • Ron says:

                Then there are the cyclists who disregard traffic lights and stop signs while riding against traffic on the sidewalk.

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                • makagutu says:

                  And cuss you when you point this out

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                  • basenjibrian says:

                    I used to sneer at cyclists on sidewalks as well. (And the failure to yield right of way when riding on a sidewalk the wrong way is one of my major pet peeves as well). But the reality in these Benighted States is most suburban sidewalks are pretty unpeopled. I can understand a nervous non-expert rider choosing to avoid the fleets of 6,000 pound lifted trucks (I NEED a massive Suburban Assault Vehicle for my trip to Walmart) on the typical American four or six lane vehicle sewers that pass for “streets” here. Pedestrians have the complete right of way, of course, but I am less sarcastic than I used to be about sidewalk riding.

                    Of course, the other reality is many of the day to day cyclists I see in my suburb are the “lost souls”. And one cannot ignore the reality that some of our homeless are riding their bikes while impaired. I saw one riding the wrong way AT NIGHT down the shoulder of a FREEWAY heading for the nearest tent camp. Dangers abound. 😦

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  6. Nan says:

    I think some believers have too much time on their hands!

    But I also think that when your interests and thoughts and “life” revolve around your religion, things begin to get a bit mucky in your cerebrum.

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  7. john zande says:

    Ain’t that person a little ray of sunshine.

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  8. I admire the mental acrobatics, this piece of junk needs to be published in the joker section of an amusement park. I am bewildered by how far those believers are willing to go to cover up their insecurities.

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  9. shelldigger says:

    This is why I don’t get out much. These people are out there!

    My opinion, people who think like this border on mentally ill. If you can go to this length to rationalize your religion, you can rationalize anything. Anything, no matter how terrible, is just fine with these folks. The god in their head tells them so.

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    • makagutu says:

      They vote. They have families. They are teachers. You should get out more my friend, the air is good outdoors.

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    • basenjibrian says:

      Many of the enthusiastic Nazi Party members were good Lutherans. (Not the leadership, necessarily. They were largely into just plain weird shit). Perfect illustration of rationalizing appalling things.

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  10. Renee Dublin says:

    I’m a Christian, and even I disagree with what this writer said. The bible clearly states that God hates. He’s holy, and that’s why hell exists.

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    • makagutu says:

      How is this an improvement on what the other said? How does his being holy relate to hell existing?

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      • Renee Dublin says:

        It’s… not an improvement. It probably makes it worse in your opinion. When I say God is Holy I’m kind of saying the ocean is a little wet, maybe. He’s Holy as in he can’t stand anything that’s not. He hates it. And that’s what we are, technically. So that’s why hell exists, to separate everything that’s not holy from God. Hell exists because God is Holy, and there are beings that aren’t.

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  11. Arnold says:

    Random thoughts are a world in reverse; go to the cause, not the effects. Face Jesus Christ and see how you measure up.

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  12. Jiggerj says:

    I just love when people tell me that god is unknowable, then tell me ALL about god.

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