On sports


Or on sports and transgender.

For some reason, after solving the world hunger problem, there has been desire by some quarters to have transgender females or is it males participate in women sports and the response has definitely been divided. I have read and maybe some of you too, that these days all it takes to be a woman is to feel it inside your heart and that’s all. There are transgender people who are having hormonal treatment to reduce their testosterone but whether this is sufficient to allow them to participate in an all women activity is a matter of debate.

Now, I have no problem with any one participating in any athletic endeavour. Why not have categories that cover every group. All male; All female; Trans male/ female though I have not heard of a trans male who wants to participate in a male sporting event. Maybe I haven’t read widely, which can be forgiven.

What do you think sporting bodies or organizers should do?

About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

39 thoughts on “On sports

  1. renudepride says:

    Thank you, my Kenyan brother, for initiating and publishing this topic here! One of the countless reasons I admire your efforts and work! I think that the numerous conditions and emotions that create humanity deserve careful and thoughtful consideration – hopefully, that criteria will be followed by all those who are in positions to exert influence. It is also beneficial that their guide will be a conscience that looks beyond whatever their personal feelings may be but rather on their humanistic approach.

    Naked hugs! ๐Ÿ™‚

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  2. Nan says:

    I prefer not to go into detail as related to my thoughts on this topic — except to say I am against transgender females competing in women’s sports.

    Other than that, the topic is most definitely ๐Ÿ”ฅHOT๐Ÿ”ฅ in some circles.

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  3. Ubi Dubium says:

    I think that the problem here is that we have two different values regarding sports, and we’ve hit a place where those values come into conflict.

    We value fairness. People should be competing against others who are of roughly the same ability.

    And we also value participation. Everybody that wants to compete should be able to do so.

    To achieve that, different sports have created different groupings to have the best balance between these two goals. Some sports are divided by age, or by weight, or by demonstrated skills or what have you. And we never have just two divisions for these, we always have several, to include as many people as we can, yet have a “fair” competition. Except in the case of gender. With gender, we have two narrowly defined pigeonholes of “male” and “female” and if you can’t fit neatly into one of those, you can’t play.

    We either need to broaden those two categories to include more people, or we need to add categories. And I think what that solution is will vary from sport to sport. And it may depend on how many people outside the gender pigeonholes need to be accommodated. Or, in some sports, perhaps we do away with gender categories altogether, and divide people up in some other way. As a confirmed couch potato, I’m not the right person to figure this out for any sport, but there are plenty of sports experts that could work on this.

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    • makagutu says:

      It has been argued elsewhere and I think it has merit, that the suggestion to do away with gender categories is always done at the disadvantage of women. It tries to accommodate a certain group while erasing the group women.
      Adding categories would, in my view, be the best solution.

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      • Ubi Dubium says:

        Equestrian events already don’t have gender categories, they aren’t really needed there. But there might be some sports where height is the more important criteria, or weight that you can bench-press, or some such. But I think each sport needs to look at the best ways to divide up participants. And a lot of them might need to add another gender category as the best option.

        I know that as a very short person, there are a lot of sports that I would never have had a shot at, like basketball or track, where having short legs puts me at an incredible disadvantage. If I had wanted to compete in those, the only way I could have found reasonable opponents would have been to be in a league for people five feet tall and under, and I’ve never found one of those. However we divide participants, it’s never going to be ideal. We just need to find the best balance between our two goals.

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        • makagutu says:

          Oh yeah, where the horse is what is doped so anyone can ride it.
          Consider say marathons, whereas everyone runs together, they have categories for males and females otherwise there would be no woman at the top.

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          • Ubi Dubium says:

            So maybe for marathons we need additional gender categories. We already have other separate categories for runners with medical issues – disabled runners may get a separate category, and wheelchairs have their own category because they’re faster than regular runners. Maybe that sport needs another division for runners who don’t neatly fit into the two existing gender categories.

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            • makagutu says:

              Exactly. I know we have international games for U18s which has seen a lot of drama where some people have been 18 for 5 years and still want to participate. I think creating categories shouldn’t be that complex.

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  4. jeannejam40 says:

    How can you deny transgender who feel it inside their hearts when that is the exact reason millions of Christians know they are right?

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    • basenjibrian says:

      Yet rigorously rational writers who (correctly) dismiss the delusions of snake handers and babbling-in-tongues and “Donald Trump won the election in the Spiritual Realm” religiots have no problem with “Of course we should remove the breasts of your 13 year old daughter and feed her harmful hormones” crowd. Anything to recognize the importance of the 150 different genders, many of which we cannot recognize yet!

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    • makagutu says:

      This is a good one. If it works for one, it should work for the other

      Like

  5. Competitive sports are a ridiculous notion. Everyone knows cheating goes on no end. Russia set up a whole system for fooling the Olympic commission. Drugs are everywhere. Just look at Lance Armstrong. I say make it all legal and let the best steroid-filled science project/mutant win.

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    • basenjibrian says:

      An argument not really brought out by either side! Bravo! In answer to Maka’s original question, though: Having all these categories would quickly become impossible because we are told there are simply so very many “genders” out there. Plus, having a category for “trans” females would not meet their goals at all: Having their self definition as a woman recognized-including in some places (the UK) with the full force of law and woke social media power.

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    • makagutu says:

      I think this affects mainly individual sports. Guys are on steroids. Whatโ€™s important is that you are not caught. For such sports, like the tour de Paris, let the best drug manufacturer win.

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      • basenjibrian says:

        Sports fans still murmur breathlessly about the cheating East German women’s Olympic teams from days of yore. Heavily on testosterone to the point that secondary male characteristics began to appear. Yet it is HEROIC for someone one 20 years of (male level) testosterone to decide at Age 37 he is a woman and demands the right to participate in women’s power lifting!

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        • basenjibrian says:

          I would argue that EVERYONE who makes a living from their body is on chemical enhancements. Do we REALLY think that actor Chris Helmsworth became THOR on a diet of chicken broccoli and rice and a weird exercise regime? (Which you can now buy for ridiculous fees!)

          (This kid is FUNNY. Which proves my juvenile sense of humor!)

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        • makagutu says:

          Ooh, I haven’t followed. But i think most endurance athletes are on some banned substance. There is the possibility others have just trained for it and are able to endure pain for long.

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    • Ubi Dubium says:

      I’m not really as concerned about professional sports in this regard. I’m more concerned about high school and college athletes, because there are a whole lot more of them than there are professional athletes. When a high school student is on puberty blockers, or a college student is transitioning, does that eliminate their ability to participate in sports if they want to? How do we preserve both fairness and participation for them?

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      • basenjibrian says:

        The converse is true. Even on puberty blockers or transitioning, the male-to-female athlete still has a significant physiological advantage, on average, over born female athletes. And in some sports this advantage can be dangerous for some cases. Plus, even in the case on non professional sports, you are often still talking about a limited number of spaces on “the team”. Which means a biological male replacing a woman, who loses the opportunity to participate. And THAT is one of the main issues noted by TERFs skeptical of trans women replacing women in women’s spaces and teams.

        And the craziness goes beyond sports, of course. Convicted violent criminals can in some prison systems “decide” they are really a woman deep down inside and demand the right to be housed in women’s prisons. In the case of convicted sexual predators (a small number, but still) this seems downright nuts. Jus the claim is not enough. We are not talking about people after surgery or even after hormone treatments.

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        • Ubi Dubium says:

          “Convicted violent criminals can in some prison systems โ€œdecideโ€ they are really a woman deep down inside and demand the right to be housed in womenโ€™s prisons.”

          Do you have any documented cases of this? because it sounds like the kind of thing right-wing sources complain about, without it actually being a real thing. I’d want to see documentation before taking this as a serious concern.

          Generally someone does not up and just “decide” that they are a woman, because that means giving up their entire existence as a male for the rest of their life, lengthy therapy, extensive medical treatments, massive doses of hormones, an upending of their whole lives. Given the level of awfulness and discrimination that genuine trans people have to go through right now, it’s just not worth it for someone to fake it.

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  6. The theory that competition draws out the best he or she can offer and the resulting fame is thought of to be the great achievements of our meritocracy, promising self-improvement through participation. On the contrary, not only does a society obsessed with competition eliminate human dignity, but it also convinces them they are not sufficient enough.
    Athletes are subjected to unbearable pressure and abnormal lives, which requires everything from shaved bodies, steroids and even sex changes. So what is there normal or abnormal?
    Sport has been tarnished by nationalism and the commercialisation of stardom through corporations. We only have to remember those communist countries using steroids to enhance the potential of their human athletes. Where they still women? All things equal a sex changed athlete is a more honest approach.

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