And before you come crucifying (no pun intended) me pick it up with the pope.
Maybe the pope was misquoted [(is he a politician?) since that’s the line our politicians use even when quoted verbatim] when he said
The Law, however, does not give life, it does not offer the fulfillment of the promise because it is not capable of being able to fulfill it. The Law is a journey, a journey that leads toward an encounter… Those who seek life need to look to the promise and to its fulfillment in Christ
Popeye
We are hoping to hear the pope’s response soon after he consults with Peter. Stay tuned brothers and sisters not in the law 🙂
Random thoughts 
Or, like I love to say, “If you’re Christian, you need Islam and Allah or you’ll burn forever in Hell for being a lying infidel!!” 🙂
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So basically, each religion is damning every other person to hell
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Especially the correct religion: Islam. Allahu Akbar
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Ah I see. So are all muslim sects going to heaven or are there infidels among the muslims? It must be the case that some muslims don’t believe correctly
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All who don’t believe EXACTLY as I do, are gonna BURN!! May the peace and love of Allah be with you. Always.
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For the sake of our souls, can you in as few words as is possible and without ambiguities tell us how we should believe
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You’re questioning attitude has outed you as a heathen and an infidel!!! Those who believe “correctly” KNOW it because they’re enlightened to the TRUTH!! You gonna burn, brother!! BURN!!! May the love, joy, and peace of Islam be with you always.
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I just want to be certain i haven’t missed anything. Eternal life is at stake, my friend
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May the love of Allah wrap you in eternal joy, you disbelieving heathen bastard, you. 🙂
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Looks like Allah will have to go to hell
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Don’tcha just LOVE conversations like this? Ya get SOOOO much outta ;em, eh.
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I know.
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There was a time in my life (my mid twenties) when I used to delight in making up a religion on the fly whenever religious beliefs were mentioned. I think I was reasonably successful because the evangelicals would spend the rest of the evening trying to “save” me. I know it was mean of me, but I I measured my success in how earnestly they tried. The trick was to make it plausible but not to frighten them off.
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Hahaha. This must have been fun. I think making up a religion is one that requires an active imagination
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Imagination? Perhaps. I always saw it as an intellectual exercise. In hindsight, it was part of the process I went through in learning to understand how and why religion is so important to some people and totally irrelevant to others.
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So many people take religion too seriously they could easily join an inquisition
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Sounds like a lot of fun to me!!
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I never went through a rebellious phase as a teenager. I made up for it in my twenties. Mind you I could sometimes convince those who were opposed to religion in principle (I’m not) that I genuinely believed the story I was spouting. This was a greater challenge than evangelicals as many of them do believe in literal evil forces, so my greatest measure of success was if an atheist attempted to “save” me from my imaginary religion. I miss this days 🙂
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Haha. Now this is funny
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But I suspect not to those who tried to “save” me be they theist or atheist.
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Of course not.
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These days I’ve mellowed, and I have more sympathy toward those in both camps. I realise I sometimes offend or anger both theist and atheist at the same time when I express my own views on beliefs. It’s made me realise how firmly people believe their own position is the “truth” regardless of their religion or lack of.
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It’s sad when a skeptic doesn’t give themselves room for doubt not that they should believe absurdities though.
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I think it’s so crazy deflective for a heathen to wish others to be heathens.
What would the world be without that good old crazy femininity. 🤪
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They have certainly disbelieved who say, ” Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. They have certainly disbelieved who say, ” Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
— Quran 5 (Al-Ma’ida), ayat 72-75
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The Law Of Manifestation – http://thomas-sparrow.com/the-law-of-manifestation/
Everything manifested begins as a thought, an idea. Ideas and experiences create beliefs which in turn creates your reality. If you were unhappy with your current reality, you must change your beliefs and your behavior.
Beliefs can be changed when you recognize and change those beliefs that are not working for you and begin programming what will create success and harmony in your life. The unlimited creative power of your mind through dedication awareness and training, can be the wisdom to rise above your karma.
Within physical laws, you can manifest any reality you desire to experience. In regard to changing your behavior, you must decide which disharmonious behaviors you want to eliminate. Then be aware that you don’t have to change how you feel about something to affect it, if you are willing to change what you were doing.
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I think religion is a great start to knowing who you really are. After you realize the very reason why religion involves metaphors and why it’s customary for you stand and call on it, somewhere after you find what inspired religion, you will no doubt come to know what is myth and what is truth. You gotta respect both.
#TrueSupremacyUsurped #SomebodyHadToSayIt
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Is this *the secret* we are reading again?
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I wonder what they are using as fuel for this fire
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#ForgiveYouFirst, for believing everything you were taught. Believe nothing, know more. Be your own god…
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It seems everything I was taught was wrong! 2+2=4 was always wrong
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Not math itself. Math is true logic. Math is universal. What was taught to us about who and where it was first discovered is not likely to be the truth. Math falls into place where it doesn’t require belief, This is what ” know more” means.
#YourOwnPersonalWiFi #YouShouldShareThis
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Does anything exist before it is discovered and named by a white man? In fact does anyone exist before they are named by some white man?
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Yes… Just about everything was named, discovered, thought of, perfected, created, mapped out by the pure hue-mans before the true populators of the entire planet left from “Africa,” around 70,000 years ago. The “white man” is also not true; it’s also false indoctrination, used so well as a divide and conquer motive. The “white man” is a recent concept.
Those who hold the truths of humanity feel the need to control everyone who chooses belief over knowledge. All that we believe is just an acceptance, a contract by belief. There is no right or wrong, up or down, or black or white, until you believe it is. Those who control your education and knowledge need you to have a emotional believe system. So they can flourish by keeping you brainwashed…… Funny who parasitism works.
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“The “white man” is a recent concept.” This is SOOOO true!!! Until I was 56 I fully believed I was an Asian woman named Mary!!! Imagine my shock when my DNA test came back confirming I am, indeed, a white male named “Harry”. Sweet JESUS!!! What a shocker!!!
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Hahahahahahaha! You, my friend, are the best.
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🙂
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Why not be more truthful and write that all you’re capable of is humor. I do appreciate jokes all the time, but please do better next time
I’ve heard your joke before. Hearing a recycled joke is so extremely boring. Be funny, not a joke….
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My, my. Someone’s panties got into a bunch. Why not be more honest and say the only things your capable of are very poor, sophomoric attempts at insults to strangers on the internet and writing meandering tripe that would bore the knobs off of doors could they read? My word, what a hyper-sensitive fella you are, Jimmy. Now get those panties outta yer ass crack before you get an infection.
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Sorry, but I’m not the one who owes you any child support. So instead of crying to me, you can go order a pacifier, or snuggle up to a warm milky nipple…. Over there hollering like a hurt dog. Looks like I just made you my footstool…
By now you should have learned to deal with your PMS cramps. I’ll have my twelve year old daughter coach you on cramping, I gotchu. All of a sudden I stepped in your mouthy bowel movement and with no delay, your whole existence is plucked from the bottom of my shoe. You can have it back now. Bowel movements are so important. You should keep them for yourself.
Don’t be so willing to get your feeling hurt be someone you do not know. That is so bitchy.
That’s it from me. #ThoseWhoMatterDontMindThoseWhoMindDonMatter
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Ooooo-weeee! Aren’t we the touchy one? And nasty on top of that!
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Nasty was necessary. Thanks. That’s how capricorns do it. 🤪
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Nasty is never necessary as a defence of truth, whatever you conceive it to be. Nasty is also not necessary in polite conversation.
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There are no such saints to ever live, any where. I can guarantee that you’ve done the same. I guarantee that the other person would never have said what they wrote to me, in person.
Judging without knowing is a sign of weakness… Stop that! You are not a saint. You and the other person, need to appreciate a good lesson…. Mind Your Own Business.
That’s it from me.
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There are no saints, except if you are Catholic, then there are a mass of them.
I mind my own business and this happens to be my blog where I mind my business. And to say nasty isn’t necessary applies all ways. Unless you are saying nasty is necessary for polite conversation?
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Mind Your Business means to be vital reason for why your family is successful.
That was the last pearl I will give to swine.
Sometimes I miss being stupid, when I had many admirers, when I was a soft and weak democrat…
No reply necessary. #GoSitDown
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You really are a piece of work
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Who are the holders of the truths of humanity and what are these truths?
I had a book I started reading a while back, the invention of the white race. I should probably finish it.
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As a devoutly religious person, I endeavour at all times to follow all the rules required of my religion. They are:
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As you can see it’s a rather long list 🙂
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Not as long, though, as the list of those condemned to Hell Maka provided us this week! You have more work to do, methinks! 🙂
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That list of who is hell bound is not exhaustive.
I didn’t see divorce lawyers, lawyers, planners, traffic cops, cops in general, soldiers, priests and so on
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My friend that list needs to be edited. It is too long with possibilities of ambiguities
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I’ve tried shortening it but I have trouble removing any more words
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I forgot to mention: ambiguities vagueness and imprecision are are required elements
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That’s how to make a religion work. A little vagueness and ambiguity goes along way
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In all seriousness, I’ve been told on several occasions (and by atheists no less) my religion is too “wishy washy” because we are required to follow our conscience above all things: “You will say, ‘Christ saith this, and the apostles say this;’ but what canst thou say?”
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I have seen the problems you have gone through, some on this humble blog.
But you must forgive us. Some of us have experienced religion that is worlds apart from what you tell us.
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At one time I took the mocking of beliefs the wrong way, but then I;m reminded that I too used to that some 40 to fifty years ago
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I don’t do much of that these days unless someone insists that a particular belief is true and I am damned if I don’t believe it, then all bets are off
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I think I’ve moved past that now. I no longer give a sh!t what someone believes, only how they express it, for example in deeds and actions.
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Actually and honestly, a better response is instead of any faith community, all that’s necessary is the service of cocktails at happy hour. That being the case, everyone gets to order their favorite and indulge themselves! 🙂 Naked hugs!
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Let’s drink to happy hour, you say
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That is what the nt says though. Galatians 3, christ is the fulfillment of the law. The law was just a “schoolmaster” added because of disobedience until Christ the messiah came. So, strictly from a Christian perspective, jews… Muslims, hindus, buddhists… all need jesus.
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Why is the New Testament correct, though? It was just another book cobbled together by squabbling priests and politicians when they paused from internecine banning and condemning and killing each other (read some balanced history about the early church….there was never a period where there was a pure, unified church which has since fallen prey to division., Early Christians were also divided (see Paul))
And why do we need anything to make up for the utter failure of Yahweh to create beings which met his persnickety and often ridiculous requirements?
And which Jesus do we need, the touchy feely Jesus or the get away from me inferior Samaritan Dog/give up everything for me or you will be tortured for eternity Jesus?
Nope. I see no Good News anyway near Christianity.
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My point… was to point out that what the pope was saying is in line with Christian teaching and the nt. Not to demonstrate if it’s true or not.
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Ah….I agree then. I also dislike liberal Christians who are as guilty of cherry picking as any fundie. The Book says a lot of NASTY things which liberal Christians ignore. Just like the fundies ignore “liberal” things.
Cheers.
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Former “fundy”, current “figuring it out”-y here. 🙂
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Kia it’s been eons since I last saw you
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Yeah. It’s been a minute. All good.
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Still breathing and living.
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Liberal Christianity is trying to make do with a bad hand they have been dealt. If they throw away the bible, they are left with nothing
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My friend, it is the good news of eternal life, after death
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No doubt about that. The good pope is just echoing Paul.
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He has to throw a bone once in a while to the believers to keep them off balance. But he himself… I doubt he actually believes the bible to be God’s actual word.
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I think he takes the book seriously but maybe not as Ken Ham
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Didn’t I hear someone call it The Goat Herder’s Guide to the Galaxy?
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Now that’s apt
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Colo(u)r me shocked. From the pre-1960s Good Friday Missal:
Is the pope Catholic? Does a bear shit in the woods?
And on an unrelated note: why is the Vicar of Christ using a smartphone to deliver his message? Couldn’t he just channel God’s message telepathically?
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Wow. This is interesting. Colour me really shocked.
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Now why in the world would you be shocked??!? The Catholics are the REAL believers … those nasty Jews didn’t know what they were talking about when they started this whole thing about God. Only “Pope Paul” had the inside track because, well, because he had “seen” Jesus, the REAL God.
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As a former Catholic, I didn’t meet that part of the missal but then again 67 is a long way back.
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That’s probably because Vatican 2.0 wanted to tone down the anti-Jewish rhetoric in order to advance its ” interfaith dialogue” with other religions. But every once in a while the Church of Rome’s core dogma (if you ain’t one of us you’re doomed) percolates to the surface. And biblically speaking, the Jews brought it entirely upon themselves. (see Mt 27:25)
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I love it that nobody knows the pope, but are so eager to give it clout all because you were told to.
#CriticalThought- 790
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Tell us who the pope is. We all that he was Catholic and Argentine. A Jesuit priest but maybe we are all wrong
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The “pope” is just one of the very many symbols of mind control. Catholic, Argentine, Jesuit, Heaven, God, Black, White, New Genders all of a sudden and every other popular item lives because of ignorance. None of it is real…
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This is re-education! So the category catholic or argentine is a chimera?
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Indeed, the true meaning of all things became definitions once a place was conquered. Any Greek Or Roman symbol was an “African” symbol ages before there was any Greek or Roman person to ever exist. When places like “Africa” were conquered, the conquerors helped themselves to what they knew would give them control over others. They claimed it and renamed it all. They destroyed heritages and legacies and renamed it “History.”
The meaning of symbols are hidden to feed you the illusions of meaning, when all that we were/are taught is nothing more than opinions, feelings and narratives. if all you know is that same as what you have been taught, only proves that you possess a greater emotional, opinionated level of knowledge other than what is truth.
#Alkebulan #AmenRa #Àṣẹ!
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[…] it, comes from god. And to receive it, you need faith in the gospel message. And in case you are Jewish and still confused, the Pope ain’t making this up. He says pick your battles with St. Paul, […]
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Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law, and He alone gives us righteousness, and makes us reconciled to God! If you understand Judaism and the law, read Hebrews chapter 7. The whole book was written to show how the forefathers Law and the prophets and the Psalms are really an image of Christ!
Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb. 7:25
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There is no evidence for your Christ. Maybe you should deal with that first
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I am not one to argue with you, but your comment is misinformed and might I say skewed. Even secular scientists don’t disagree with the life and death of Jesus, nor the history of the early church. I am not a historian, but I urge you to put your faith in Christ. The days are evil, and nobody knows the day they will die. Christ alone gives freely to us the hope of everlasting life, and through Him and His shed blood we may be free from Sin. It is all God’s power to save, not our own!
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I will be glad to hear who are these secular scientists who believe in miracles.
It is evident you are not a historian but you also don’t seem to read much that makes you a preacher.
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Well there is only one book that is required to preach, and that is the bible. All other books are optional (albeit important). Ancient Jewish and Roman historians recorded and concurred with His life. All of the old testament is about Jesus. I can’t make you believe anything, but don’t attempt to make authoritative claims based upon solely your opinion.
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You landed on the wrong site, Elijah. Here, we read widely. So you are better served at AiG then here.
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Well I think I’ll stay with hopes that someone would hear it. But I am glad there is a platform for discourse
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Discussion is allowed but your contributions are taken less seriously by most rational people once you begin that there is only one book to be read. That’s a good way to start a auto de fe(?) Or an inquisition
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I think most of us have heard of Jesus. But the real issue is that we haven’t heard from Jesus. Why is that? Where is this Jesus fellow hanging out? Why won’t he make an appearance?
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Well, I can tell you, Ron, the change in my heart that He has made, in giving me a new heart speaks to me. His forgiveness and mercy speaks to me. The bible says that while God spoke in ancient times to the prophets and the forefathers (Abraham Isaac and Jacob) He now speaks to us (being Christians) through His son, Jesus. So while God doesn’t come down and talk to us right now, He has given us His word, the bible, to know Him. He will someday return to the earth to make it right with Him again, and to judge the unrighteousness of man once and for all.
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I’m familiar with your explanation, but it doesn’t really explain why an all-powerful being that desires human interaction refrains from manifesting itself in physical form as it (supposedly) did in earlier times. Can you name any other relationship in which you devote your attention to someone you’ve never seen or heard from?
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A valid question. I don’t claim to understand the fullness of God; nobody ever will. I think what we’re missing here is an essential characteristic of God, and an unfortunate one of man. All of creation manifests the glory of God, and it was made to praise Him. However, God is completely Holy. His character is perfect, and He cannot defy his own character. The rebellion and sin of man keeps us separate from Him. God walked with Adam in the cool of the day, but not after they sinned. So too, does the sinfulness of the world, their hate for God, keep Him from coming to dwell with us. When we repent of our sin, and put our faith in Christ, He wraps us in His righteousness, and makes us to God as if we never sinned. He gives us His Spirit to be with us and help us.
I hope that gives some light to the situation here. Our sin keeps us from God, because He is good; light cannot coexist with darknessm
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You are here repeating the often made tropes by others of your persuasion of not knowing god and without introspection tell us god is holy, perfect and whatever. How do you know?
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You response raises another difficulty I have problems coming to terms with: from whence did mankind derive it’s sinful nature if God is intrinsically perfect and humans were created by God in God’s likeness?
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Sheesh Ron! Doncha’ know???!? It’s that apple in the garden that started it all!
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An apple the good and loving god could have kept its seeds in his godly appendage or not mentioned.
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Well the sinfulness comes because Adam chose to disobey God, and all people come from Adam, so the curse is passed on. As far as tropes, just because it is often repeated doesn’t mean it isn’t true. I have come to these conclusions yes by teaching of others, but also by studies of my own accord. I know these things because I have read, and what I’ve read is evident and confirmed in my life.
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Yes, I know the bible says that Adam and Eve partook of the forbidden fruit after being goaded into it by the crafty serpent. But that doesn’t address my question: why would God (a perfect being that cannot tolerate sin and disobedience) create humans with a sinful and disobedient nature contrary to it’s own? It’s like saying a master carpenter who detests shoddy workmanship constructed a piece of fine furniture with wobbly legs.
Furthermore, God is often presented as a loving father. Which prompts me to wonder what kind of loving parent would leave their child unattended in the the presence of a bad influence? Would you tell your kids “don’t do drugs” and then leave them alone in a room full of drugs and a drug pusher? I know I wouldn’t.
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I understand your point, Ron. As far as I understand it, God did not create sinfulness, but instead He gave His created beings, man, free will. We are created in His image, and we’re made with free will so that we would love Him. Sinfulness is just a cyclical event from generation to generation, as well inevitably choose to forsake God. I do it on the daily, but living a life of repentance towards God means humbling myself, and resting in His grace to save me, for only the shed blood of Christ can pay my ransom and save me
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Can there really be free will in a relationship in which a much stronger party reserves the right to punish the other weaker for failing to make the right choice?
Consider a situation in which the male suitor asks his prospective love interest to marry him. “It’s your choice,” he says, “I won’t force you to marry me; but if you decide not to, I will beat you up.”
Technically, the other person is granted the ability to make a choice — but in reality, it’s a forced choice in which the person presenting the offer sets the rules and determines the outcome.
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Consider another situation – does not a master painter have the right to paint as he chooses? Or if a master builder builds a house, does he not have the right to design it as he will?
If someone were reckless and crashed their Lamborghini and destroyed it, or died, would we argue that the car’s builder was wrong to build it?
I believe that all you’re seeing from your perspective lacks the grace and kindness of God. He didn’t have to make me, yet He did! And He didn’t have to save me, or anyone else, but He did. I can accept the authority of God because I’ve seen how He loves me. I know it may sound as tropes and cliches to you, but I do believe in free will, and I do believe in the sovereignty of God also.
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I fully agree that both the painter and the builder reserve the right to design and produce things to meet their exacting standards without deviation. But then where does that leave room for free will?
And why would such a thing be considered desirable, anyways?
Imagine talking to an engineer who says, “I really want this structure to safely bear the loads it’s designed to carry, but I will grant it the ability to exercise free will and collapse if it so chooses?
Or an auto manufacturer who tells you he’d prefer to design cars with a functional braking system, but doesn’t want to create an autonomous robot that stops just because you step on the brake pedal, so he gave it the free will not to engage the brakes whenever it chooses to do so?
You’d deem both of them to be insane. And more importantly, you’d hold them fully liable when their product malfunctions.
As to your second point, a gift with strings attached is no gift at all, because what you’ve described is akin to someone buying you a watch for your birthday and then demanding you thank thank forever and a day for their generous gesture. They didn’t have to buy you a watch, yet they did! They didn’t have to wish you happy birthday — yet they did!
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I understand that free will comes because we are not paintings, and we are not cars and not buildings, but emotional creatures made in God likeness; not that we are gods, but we were made to follow His character. Love isn’t love if it is compulsory, rather it is a choice. I don’t let strangers live in my home, but those who know me. We have a choice to love God and to follow Him.
I don’t think you understand our human condition. It’s like a shepherd looking at his sheep against the grass: he says they look quite clean. But then fresh snow falls, and he sees how truly filthy they are! The Bible is a mirror, and we examine ourselves against it. If we see truly how it speaks, we should be made aware that God’s standard for righteousness is so utterly unobtainable for us! We think bad people, people worthy of hell are murderers and rapists. In reality, bad people are you and I! The Bible says that all have sinned and don’t measure up to God’s standard. Because of that, we will one day receive the wages of the work of our life, our unrighteousness: that is, death. We deserve it. That’s why all people die, and why we fear death. It is appointed to every man once to die, and after that is the judgement of God.
If we look at our lives before God and humble ourselves, we will know that we deserve fire and death. No gardener lets rotted fruit stay on the vine forever.
The only hope for humanity is the shed blood of Christ. Because of His love, God sent Jesus His Son to lay down His life. He bore in his body the payment for our sins. Because of His sacrifice we can be reconciled to God. Death was what we owed, but Jesus paid the fine for us! So we can stand innocent before God on judgement day! All that is required is to repent, and turn from our sins, and put our faith in Christ alone for salvation. Religion can’t save us, only Jesus. He will give you a new heart and a new mind, with new desires!
I can’t prove God to you, He has already done that. Look around and tell me that all you see was an accident! I have delivered my message: repent, because Jesus is the only one who can save you from eternal judgement! This is the gospel of God, the good news of Christ Jesus! I have said my part and done my work. I say these things out of compassion and not of hate; I don’t want you to perish in the fire, but to be saved! Turn from your sin, and turn to Christ!
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MAK — who opened the church doors and let these home-grown preachers in??!!?!
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Sorry man, but that’s how it’s supposed to be 🙂
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We don’t like preachers here.
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Well I’m not going to apologize, but I didn’t come with the intent to stir up anything… I stumbled upon the article and didn’t quite understand what their views were. But I’ve said my part and am happy to go back to my own site and continue to write the words of God.
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That is highly encouraged. There are Christians who are missing your preaching while you are here
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Ron has been engaging the preacher man, giving him rope to hang himself but he doesn’t seem to realize
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“We have a choice to love God and to follow Him.”
. . . but those who don’t will be tortured for eternity.
Ponder upon that for a moment. It’s no different than the scenario I described two comments earlier (Marry me or I’ll beat you up) or the option given by a street thug (Your money or your life).
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The difference is that God as our creator, perfect and without darkness in Him, has the right to make that distinction. We choose to dishonor Him, and we receive the reward for the life we choose.
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The Christian conception of God is a flawed construct. If God commands worship and adulation, then God cannot be perfect, because a perfect being has no needs or desires — not even the desire to create things.
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they have redefined perfection to include needs money and unending adulation
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In fact, we are all going to hell whether we love him or not
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It is like you don’t really think about what you write. take for example this
in one of your earliest response, you said we can’t know the character of god. now you want us to follow its character. if we take to the bible for directions, it would mean drowning those children we don’t like, putting them out of house for small infractions and killing the best children as an example to the rest.
Please stop preaching here. You really need to think your answers through.
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Not so, sir, but anything I might say otherwise will not change your view.
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I am glad you know that
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No one asked god to be made and therefore no one need ask god for forgiveness. If god were responsible for our being, then it is his problem not ours and it should put its shit together
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The freewill defence eh. Inadequate in so many ways
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I, too, wouldn’t.
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God had a once in a lifetime opportunity to end all this but chose noah and his family to repopulate the earth through incest! Elijah you need to take your blinders off. They are between you and reading
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If the bible is to be believed, Adam only became like the gods after eating the fruit of knowledge. So in whose likeness was man created?
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God works in mysterious ways, don’t you know?
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How do we know the bible is the word of god? Or that it is what god wants us to know
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Have you not read that he is somewhere in the cloud?
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