who died and made you king


Yes, I know there is a song and even the meeting of the sentence but i just think it is an appropriate heading for what is to come next. Yesterday i was reading this post where I think the suggestions made were way reasonable. That America should focus on peaceful means and all until our resident defender of western values showed up to inform us that is idle talk, dreams of 12 year olds, so to speak. The military industrial complex and the emperor must all be appeased and pursuing peaceful coexistence through trade and cultural exchange and limiting the military to national defence and maybe international peacekeeping missions with other nations.

Maybe I am missing something since I live so far removed from the military or its workings that maybe it is important to have military outposts in every other country, occasionally have your spy agency overthrow democratically elected presidents and have drone assassinations miles away from home where children caught in the crossfire are collateral damage (what were they doing there, playing? Don’t know there are drones overhead?).

Tell me what you all think? William Astore or Tildeb?

About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

88 thoughts on “who died and made you king

  1. jim- says:

    Are you asking the experts here? Are you ready for institutionalized answers?

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    • makagutu says:

      Any answers.

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      • jim- says:

        It is in our capital interests to keep the supply chain rolling and hope to provide a buffer to crazy that interrupts peaceful living. I don’t think doing nothing is really an option. Imagine how the world might be if we did nothing against the nazis? The Taliban would rule the world until every last one submits to Allah. Although I don’t like having outposts in every country, somebody probably ought to protect human rights, and in this case women’s rights. Afghanistan just stepped back 1300 years like Iran in ‘78.
        But all these are natural forces in the process of evolution. Just as natural to fight the bad guys as it is to be one. How could it be any different?

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        • makagutu says:

          I don’t know. There have been times in present memory when it would have been great to intervene but the great US of A didn’t. I think there was probably no oil or some strategic resource to be got.
          Half the world would be speaking German 🙂
          As to human rights and especially that of women, we hope their situation will improve. You are aware that some of the oppressive laws in places like Uganda were supported by evangelical groups from the grand USA?
          In a world where there are bad guys- first it was the commies, then the Muslims, there will always be need for big defense spending.

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        • basenjibrian says:

          I am sure the Afghan villagers repeatedly bombed back into the stone age deeply appreciated our “human rights” promoting air force bombers. Or the Okinawan women raped by our brave defenders of freedom. Or the Cambodians experiencing a rain of Agent Orange and a corrupt incompetent dictator (Lon Nol) who made them initially at least welcome the Khmer Rouge as a better option (Of course, in the latter case they were deeply wrong, but the United States created the environment that led to the Cambodian genocide. Your position, Jim, is ahistorical and arrogant. One of the reasons for the Nazis is Woodrow Wilson LIED us into WWI, which led to the punitive treatment of Germany which again, helped create the environment where the Nazis could come to power. If only we would stop trying to run the world.

          The idea that the Taliban, a unique product of Afghani culture (and Pakistani secret service funding and training) will “take over the world” is a fear worthy of the worst foaming at the mouth Islamophobes. And I detest Islam as a religious system.

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          • jim- says:

            Do you prefer Islam as a governmental system?
            None of this is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it is all perfectly natural. But I’m sure Nadia Nadim would disagree with a lot of your comment

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            • basenjibrian says:

              ah, the old fashioned “Love it or leave it” argument. I don’t prefer Islam as a government system. I am an American. But WHICH Islam? From what period of time? I am not sure Al Adalus during its peak was worse than the Spanish Inquisition era of the Spanish Empire.

              But that is not my point. The argument is whether the United States should be housing troops on 700 military bases around the world. The argument is whether the United States should engage in brutal 20 year 2 trillion dollar occupations that fall apart in a couple of weeks. The idea that the choice is between a vast military empire and “the Taliban taking over the world” is ludicrous to me.

              Nadia Nadim may hate Islam. But the family whose infant children were just killed by American bombs are probably not too fond of American freedom, either. And I would bet in Afghanistan’s case there are far more of the latter, despite the nastiness of the Taliban government.

              https://freethoughtblogs.com/singham/2021/08/31/more-civilians-killed-in-afghanistan/#more-65706

              These folks might disagree.

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              • jim- says:

                War is messy. Too bad the bombers carry their kids around with them.
                The strike came two days after an Islamic State suicide attack outside the airport killed at least 169 Afghans and 13 U.S. service members.”
                It’s easy to needle isolated points and dismiss the good stuff.
                Sounds like that had it coming.
                They are locking down their citizens from leaving and taking cheap shots at a tired bear. Nobody likes this, but I’m not sure what your point is, or what side you favor. If we leave it gets criticized, if we stay—more criticism.
                Not sure why you think I’m a “love it or leave it” type. I stated it’s a perfectly natural response. No one can say what good actions do the most harm or what harm creates the most good. Oppenheimer said the world is going to hell. The only thing that may stop that is if we don’t try to prevent it. Absolutely nobody can account for the variables of any given action. But it’s fun to pick a side. Me, I’ll just watch and see what happens.
                It’s no different than the vax/ antivax debate. Certainly vaccines are no good for the long term survival of humanity, fighting natural selection, yet somehow we can’t help ourselves. There are limits to our programming.

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                • makagutu says:

                  On the one hand, I think I would agree with the Taliban in asking their qualified countrymen and women to stay behind. Why allow brain drain? Who is it who will build the new Afghanistan if everyone who is qualified to do so has left?
                  The critique here has not been that the US should have stayed. In fact, I don’t think anyone has made that claim on this blog. It has been made elsewhere. And the question being discussed here is a broader one, should the US have military bases everywhere or should it focus on something else?

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              • makagutu says:

                These folks might disagree.

                I am sure they must.

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            • makagutu says:

              Why create a false dichotomy, Jim. It is possible and valid to not prefer an Islamic government and to critique the US military action in Afghanistan

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              • basenjibrian says:

                Exactly. Cruise Missile Liberals and Neocons both LOVE false dichotomies. Such also allow for moral posturing which often hides economic or simple power politics rationales.

                See: Iraq. Or to be “bipartisan”, look at how the Peace Prize President and the War Sow cooperated with France to destroy Libya. It has been 12+ years of utter misery and chaos. “But Khadaffy was a BAD MAN. Bad Man Bad. Let’s murder him with no plan on what would happen next!” The entire region is a mess now. (Not that it was the Garden of Eden before, but…)

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                • makagutu says:

                  Iraq is being rebuilt into a beacon of democracy. Though I wonder how long that shall be given Biden’s announcement that Afghanistan marks the end of nation building efforts.

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                • makagutu says:

                  How a bad man is determined is also very interesting.
                  Museveni our neighbour is guilty of human rights violations ans has been in power for as long as I have been alive, but he is a good guy. He still gets American funding for his army because he helps in raping the Congo!

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          • makagutu says:

            Brian, you know I agree with you.
            I read the kill ratio during that entire occupation was 20:1. I am sure most Afghanis are happy the occupation has ended, like those whose villages were flattened. I remember Trump once said if he had his way, he would bomb Afghanistan out of the map. I am sure Afghanis listening to that speech were very happy with him.

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            • jim- says:

              Do you agree with Brian? “ There have been times in present memory when it would have been great to intervene but the great US of A didn’t”. So which is it?
              I am not in a position to trust anyone, particularly the experts who have us right where we are today. And as you may have wondered, which experts do we trust? As you can see, my comments are “ahistorical and arrogant”, as Brian’s is real history and non arrogant. 😃
              What part of that historical knowledge has prevented us in the past or future not to repeat it?
              It appears we humans have a limited script to work from.

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              • makagutu says:

                Jim, you wrote

                I don’t think doing nothing is really an option

                and it is this I said there are times when the grand US of A hasn’t responded. So it is possible to not do anything.

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                • jim- says:

                  Our way of life seems to be very well thought, sophisticated, and historically powered by some previous action, but really is no different than any of the “lower” animals. Occasionally a hippo saves a zebra from a crocodile. Can anyone explain that? Was there some past event that dictated a future one? It seems rather obvious that any particular moment in history has nothing to do with our current decisions. We can explain and formulate all kids of things, but the tape seems to be stuck on a loop. That’s hard for me to get passionate about.

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              • basenjibrian says:

                I think one answer is simple humility. I am sympathetic to the “moral nihilist” view of things, so as horrified as we may all be at many of the Taliban’s actions, I question where outsiders have a right to intervene. And no, Nazi Germany is not an example to the contrary, as they actively STARTED WWII.

                Humanity, especially as organized in states, often does awful things. Including these United States, which was at least partly founded on genocide, slavery, and expropriation to a large extent. Does our history give us the right to invade other countries? Especially when the moral excuses given often hide less salubrious reasons (such as an oil pipeline across Afghanistan where the oil company and the USG wouldn’t negotiate with the Taliban).

                China….who did not spend twenty years and two trillion dollars, will mop up the nice supplies of rare earths and ores that are purportedly in Afghanistan. Even from a practical, what works best standpoint, is the militarized American approach very effective? I am skeptical

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                • jim- says:

                  I agree. I am skeptical as well. It’s also a great show for the Christian and Irreligious alike, if we keep those things in their proper perspective. How can it matter so much if it doesn’t matter, or if god is in complete control, what’s all the worry? But, like the social experiment we had here in Seattle with CHAZ. I’m confident it will end about the same way.

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                • makagutu says:

                  I am equally skeptical.

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        • Ron says:

          I’d kind of preferred it if these United States of America had stuck to Thomas Jefferson’s wise adage of “Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.” and let the other nations sort out their own problems.

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  2. Well, IMO, you know, a guy who’s solution to poverty is to gas and cremate all those lazy bastards who choose to be poor in America, I say, nuke everything and let Jeebus sort out the mess!!! God bless America!!! God bless Love!!! And God bless Freedom!! $Amen$

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  3. Barry says:

    If all nations practiced military isolationism, then I can perhaps see some merit in it, bit that’s never going to happen. Personally, I’d like to the UN Security Council step up to the plate and replace the bully boy practices of the USA. But for that to happen the power of veto by the five permanent member states must be removed. Until that happens (not that it ever will), the UN is a bit like a one armed wallpaper hanger with his hand tied behind his back.

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    • makagutu says:

      The UN is what my relatives would call a toothless dog. The US spends trillions of dollars investing in ever better warfare for national security, a security that is not threatened by many state or non state actors. It can pursue its goals through peace instead of through loss of life and limb

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      • Barry says:

        Of course it’s a toothless dog. It was designed that way by giving 5 nations the power of veto. It’s possibly too late now as the ideal of international cooperation that was present in my youth seems to fast becoming a pipe dream. It’s becoming one of dog eat dog, which I don’t think has any benefits for humankind or the planet.

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  4. basenjibrian says:

    The United States is like a corrupt Southern Sheriff called in by African American neighbors to stop a bad house party. Always makes things worse. We spent twenty years and two trillion dollars and the idea that our involvement created some kind of paradise for the “Afghan women” outside a few connected circles in Kabul….Come on folks, we are supposed to be “skeptics” here. That kind of thinking is worthy of the crazy Prophetess who babbles about “taking Authority in the name of Jay-zus” over the latest hurricane that swamped New Orleans.

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  5. renudepride says:

    One aspect of excessive military force and spending that is too often overlooked is that it is frequently the christian enthusiasts who support and encourage their targets. The same always manage to focus the blame elsewhere rather than the true source.

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  6. How much have you read about Kissinger?

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  7. This is all quibble! Nothing will change, nothing has ever changed when it comes to power struggles, the strong will always subdue the weak until being replaced by an even stronger power. Unless we ignore our human histories and choose a life in a brainwashed or drug-induced existence.

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