created sick, commanded to be sound


The poem below by Baron Brooke serves as an answer to this

O wearisome condition of humanity!
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot and yet forbidden vanity;
Created sick, commanded to be sound.
What meaneth nature by these diverse laws?
Passion and reason, self-division cause.
Is it the mark or majesty of power
To make offenses that it may forgive?
Nature herself doth her own self deflower
To hate those errors she herself doth give.
For how should man think that he may not do,
If nature did not fail and punish, too?
Tyrant to others, to herself unjust,
Only commands things difficult and hard,
Forbids us all things which it knows is lust,
Makes easy pains, unpossible reward.
If nature did not take delight in blood,
She would have made more easy ways to good.
We that are bound by vows and by promotion,
With pomp of holy sacrifice and rites,
To teach belief in good and still devotion,
To preach of heaven’s wonders and delights;
Yet when each of us in his own heart looks
He finds the God there, far unlike his books.

The author of the linked post asks

Created, as we have been, in the image of God, and endowed with the faculties of intellect, emotion and will, and possessing a moral sense; at the same time we are capable of enormous cruelty and injustice. Sometimes the question is asked, Why would a good God allow bad things to happen? The real question, however, is why do we as human beings do bad things, when we should know better?

And I think s/he asks the wrong question. Why such an outcome if we are the work of an all-knowing, powerful and loving god? It would be asking why a code behaves badly if it was coded by genius? Should we not investigate the source of the code and not the code? And in the case of men, the problem is really with a maker, if you posit a deity. Man, the only animal with a moral sense. Man the sad animal.

Next s/he writes

What began as good is now ruined, the result of moral rot and decay. What a sad commentary on human existence!

which again should be rewritten to What a sad commentary on god’s handiwork!

It is interesting what passes apologists give their gods. It seems we demand more from our fellows than apologists ever demand of their gods.

This one left me in stitches. The author thinks presenting an argument would take the place of evidence. In effect, an argument for fairies is all that is needed to believe a fairy is real.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

35 thoughts on “created sick, commanded to be sound

  1. renudepride says:

    A sad commentary on human existence? Really! A much depressing commentary on the supposed reality of an omnipotent deity! 🙂

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  2. Nan says:

    This — It is interesting what passes apologists give their gods. — sums things up quite succinctly!

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  3. basenjibrian says:

    This may be number one reason why I find the Abrahamic religions such utter incoherent rot. And the Baron’s poem sums it so well…I quote it often in conversations with religiots.

    Awesome post, Mak!

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  4. basenjibrian says:

    My favorite “intellectual” black metal band also phrases this rather well.

    2. Fiery Serpents

    …I had a salowe vision
    wherein were fiery serpents and scorpions and drought
    …sand, in an abrasive swirling murk,
    covered the crackled book of life…

    A testimony
    from the dimension of regret.
    This voice comes
    from the second right after the disaster
    when all there is left to say
    in a distressed whisper is
    It is too late.
    The irreparable has been carved in stone
    and those made accountable for it are you.
    Standing, shivering in cold dim light
    waiting for the sentence of the Holy Dead
    like Adam and Eve at the end of time.

    One may argue that it was flawed
    since the beginning
    that the dice were loaded
    that God had it all within
    that He is the Source.
    O heavenly Father!
    pathogenic agent of contamination.
    harbringer of catastrophe,
    icon of the impending Fall:
    but what difference does it make?
    Altitudines Satana
    the vertigo of Liberty
    tipped the scales.
    A shadow of horror is risen.

    This will not be redeemed
    no matter how sincere the genuflection
    and ardent the confession.

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  5. If we take out the idea of a god and the irrationality that there was a “good beginning”, what beginning one must ask? Which is of course is completely irrational nonsense, then what we are left with is the means to an end throughout all nature and we are just one of many by-products, a momentary agitation, which takes itself far too serious.

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    • makagutu says:

      You indeed are right. We take ourselves too seriously. We imagine there was a beginning that was without blemish and that we spoilt things along the way and now the gods we created are angry at us

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      • basenjibrian says:

        It was “only” a television show, but the Rust Cohle character from American police procedural TRUE DETECTIVE had some great line.

        “I think human consciousness, is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware, nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself, we are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self; an accretion of sensory, experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody.”

        -Rust Cohle.

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        • makagutu says:

          Mark Twain makes a joke of it in his essay on man, the damned human race.

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        • makagutu says:

          Since the Moral Sense has but one office, the one capacity–to enable man to do wrong–it is plainly without value to him. It is as valueless to him as is disease. In fact, it manifestly is a disease. Rabies is bad, but it is not so bad as this disease. Rabies enables a man to do a bad, but it is not so bad as this disease. Rabies enables a man to do a thing which he could not do when in a healthy state: kill his neighbor with a poisonous bite. No one is the better man for having rabies. The Moral Sense enables a man to do wrong. It enables him to do wrong in a thousand ways. Rabies is an innocent disease, compared to the Moral Sense. No one, then, can be the better man for having the Moral Sense. What, now, do we find the Primal Curse to have been? Plainly what it was in the beginning: the infliction upon man of the Moral Sense; the ability to distinguish good from evil; and with it, necessarily, the ability to do evil; for there can be no evil act without the presence of consciousness of it in the doer of it.
          Mark Twain

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  6. john zande says:

    It would be asking why a code behaves badly if it was coded by genius?

    Ooooh, I like that!

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    • basenjibrian says:

      Why do the Bible Babblers who natter on endlessly about the omnipotence of their petty Semitic tribal god not see that SIN and

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      • basenjibrian says:

        EVIL and DAMNATION are all part of His ineffable plan? That He created us as playthings, as bugs to pull the legs off. God as a Toxic Toddler who in His aseitic timeless state cannot even comprehend what He has done…or doesn’t care one whit.

        Why do we nonbelievers even care? Because (most of us) were indeed raised in an Abrahamic faith and one cannot easily purge all cultural contamination so there is a bit of a cri de coeur here.

        Christianity is a wicked thing. It is a religion of slaves. At least the Norse and the Greeks’ pantheons were amusing, good stories.

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  7. maryplumbago says:

    Religion, especially the Abrahamic ones, are the single most destructive and terror filled absurdities that man has ever invented and for what. A means of power and control..an old story that never seems to go away. So is it in essence, a population control along with disease and natural disasters?

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  8. Bob Wheeler says:

    Well, as the author of the quote referred to in the blog post, the biblical position is that God created man good and that man, of his own volition, fell. What we see today is that we, as human beings, have a sense of right and wrong, but routinely do what is wrong. So what explanation do atheists have of this? They, of course, unlike us religious fanatics, are logically consistent. We live in an amoral universe. Morality is an artificial human construct used by those in power to suppress the masses. And Stalin and Mao both demonstrated what you can really do once you get rid of God! To paraphrase Scripture, the Catholic Church hath killed its thousands; the Communist Part hath killed its millions.

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    • makagutu says:

      Hello Bob.
      To start from your last statement, it is not a numbers contest. It is not the case that Stalin or Mao were killing to advance the case of atheism. If you have evidence to support your claim, share it.
      You say man fell of his own volition. Seems like you didn’t read my post. If god created man with such flaws as an ability to fall, it is really god’s problem not man.
      The universe just is. Cold. Indifferent. We all are just actors.

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