is not a problem for atheists unless one doesn’t understand what the problem is.
So first, as a public service announcement, I will share the problem in brief. More complex formulations of the argument have been made and anyone interested can look at the works of Hume, Platinga, Swinburne, and Rowe among others. But for now, we will refer to Epicurus formulation of the problem, thus
is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? then he is not omnipotent
is he able but not willing? then he is malevolent
is he both willing and able? then whence cometh evil?
is he neither unwilling and not able? then why call him god?
It can be seen immediately that this is a problem for a certain species of gods. These are those gods whose followers claim are omnipotent and omniscient. If one believes in a god without omni properties, then the problem of evil is lessened or even eliminated. It is therefore absurd to claim that the atheist has a problem of evil.
The author of this post, starts by making absurd premises, arguing
so that if creatures are not able to err and so do evil, they cannot act, and so are not actual
and i am going to sit here and wait for an example of evil committed by a sloth. And even before that first paragraph is complete, we are told
Thus if God was going to create anything whatsoever, he had no option in logic but to open the way to error, evil, sin, and death.
which immediately presents a contradiction. There is no logical contradiction involved in the sentence; to create a being that doesn’t err. In fact, the theist undermines their case because they without blinking an eye posit the existence of angels that cannot err and a heaven peopled with beings that can’t err. So which is it?
The apologist’s next step is a strawman. We are told
If there is no God, then there is no such thing as evil
which wasn’t the contention. The question is how can we reconcile the evil that we see with the existence of an all loving and powerful god? If we agree there is no god, as there is no evidence for any, then we are left with evil and a question of how to respond to it. And even from the examples the theist gives thinking he stumped the atheist, it is men and women who have acted to end, or reduce the evil being perpetrated. It is through the action of men that the slave trade ended- at least in theory-; it is through the actions of men that the second world war ended. I am willing to be shown evidence that a god intervened in either of the two examples I have given.
And what I said at the beginning of this post is clearly evident. Here, we have a theist with access to the internet but is afraid to do any thinking. He writes
There can be only “problems.” On atheism, there is no Problem of Evil, because there is no evil. Thus there is nothing whatever to which an atheist might object, on grounds transcendent to or therefore more suasive than those of his own private and nowise privileged preferences.
Which is a strawman. On atheism, there is no problem of evil not because there is no evil, but because an all loving and powerful god doesn’t exist– at least no evidence exists for such a god. So we are left with evil bit no god. And what we do from here is what matters. Do we sit by and watch as pastors feed their flock bleach as treatment for covid or do we as reasonable people stop such atrocities?
Or am i missing something?
Man, reading these asinine theistic arguments about how an all-loving, inerrant “god” allows for evil makes the noddles in my head swim. Can anyone say, “narcissistic, self-indulgent word salad”? Mind-boggling gibberish!
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I get tired of the gibberish. I checked the comments and it’s like his audience haven’t met the problem of evil elsewhere and think he has made such a compelling argument for the cause
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Once I came to understand that “omnipotent” is just a bad misspelling of “impotent”, it all started to make sense
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Hahahaha. The impotent god will strike you with thunder
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Without a god, then “evil” stops being a noun. I consider it an adjective. It’s not a separate thing that exists, you can’t have a handful of “evil” the way you can in the movie Time Bandits. “Evil” is a description we use for actions, and the bad effects of those actions on humans.
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Well said.
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Like the word Sin, Evil seems to be a word the religious thought up.
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Definitely. They had to give their god things to do😀
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Funny, Ark, but I was thinking the exact same thing! What is that saying? Great minds … 😁
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Humanity in its impotence and inability to accept the impartiality and indifference of the chaotic natural processes had to have a term to define the experience of it, mythological terror.
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This is it. The only way our forefathers could deal with an indifferent earth
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Opposites attract, right? So the good is attracted to the bad and the bad is attracted to the good. So where does evil fit in? Perhaps exclusively with the believers! Nice job! Naked hugs! 😉
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Ying and yang. Though there are times i think we would do with much less evil
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Agreed! 🙂
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Evil is for business.
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I consider ‘evil’ a religious word – I do not use it. There is no such thing.
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Carmen, you know i have missed you!
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Baal’s Balls there are some messed up thought processes going on here.
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it is a defective thought process
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Whoa! Hold up there. Are you assuming Baal’s gender, John?
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It’s really getting ridiculous, isn’t it?
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Indeed! But it’s not all bad. The one thing about Christianity is that it eventually adapts to the social mores of the times, albeit slowly. I anxiously await the all-but-inevitable, LGBTQQIP2SAA-friendly version of the bible.
“Queer and transgendered Xir created them, and blessed them and called them “peoplekind.” (Genesis 5:2)
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Fuck off! You’re ostracising all the unkind people!!
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Sorry, but I did write it adapts slowly. You’ll just have to wait another century or two for that edition, and the non-speciest one.
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Haha haha haha.
Peoplekind you say
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It’s a reference to the “woke” blackface-wearing and culturally-appropriating joker of the Canadian parliament who once unceremoniously corrected an audience member for using the word “mankind” instead of “peoplekind”.
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItsGW1Nlm3c
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The woke will be the end of us. I have seen a post on one of the blogs i follow where instead of pregnant women, it is pregnant people. While people include women, i am yet to meet a pregnant man. But maybe it is no longer politically correct to say pregnant women
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Here you go https://deadwildroses.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/pregpeople.jpg?w=1006&h=1024
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Oddly enough, the gynaecologist quoted in the article actually used the term “pregnant women”:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/fertility-and-pregnancy-covid-19-vaccine-1.6233434
Hmm. . . now whom should I trust for my pregnancy pronoun advice? The woke female (presumably) journalist? or the female (presumably) medical “expert”.
Decisions, decisions. 😉
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Hard decisions my friend
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Indeed! It’s enough to drive one to drink, or xermitage.
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Your choice of words is so woke! Xermitage it is. Is that the 105th gender?
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The rivalry of destruction and renewal will continue into eternity, and only fools will claim it not to be.
Once we have experienced the futility of preservation, we may focus our energies on creating sensibly, while the wise will serve her energies and put her trust into nature.
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It will be a long while before we realize the futility of preservation
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“if creatures are not able to err and so do evil, they cannot act, and so are not actual”
Ergo a perfect God — i.e. a being that’s incapable of erring or doing evil (according to Christians) — cannot and does not exist.
Case closed!
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I didnt see that Ron. The argument should have ended there.
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Let’s look at this from reality. Evil is a human battle and always has been. The evil we fight against is the fight for equality, for fairness, to end hate, to end discrimination and more.
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