one way we can know god exists

Step 1: Make an assumption

Step 2: Make an assumption about the universe

Step 3: Conclude that assumption 2 is a fact. Therefore god.

Or better still, call it the Kalam cosmological argument.

About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

19 thoughts on “one way we can know god exists

  1. ladysighs says:

    The only way we can know is – if it/he/she would just come on down! Or come on over or come on up or come on in or come on around.
    Or join WP or FB.

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  2. Kalam cosmological argument = big effing piece of circular word salad.

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  3. Nan says:

    Everything that begins to exist has a cause.

    This is human reasoning because, yes, WE live in a world based on cause and effect. However, we cannot say with absolute certainty that this is the “standard” for the universe. We simply don’t know.

    (Some) Humans think they have all the answers.

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    • makagutu says:

      In fact, it is to assume more than we can know.
      And to then proceed to argue that the universe, a thing we know so little about, must have come into existence so that our arguments can work is arrogant

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      • Nan says:

        it is to assume more than we can know. — Yup! And there’s one group of individuals on this planet that are experts at this!

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        • makagutu says:

          I have met many of them

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        • makagutu says:

          I am reading this book titled lives and opinions of eminent philosophers. One Pherecydes in a letter to Thales says he has written a book on a subject about which there is no certain knowledge and admits he has not arrived at any truth but have advanced arguments…. if our apologists would only make this admission, progress would be made.

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        • Barry says:

          Amongst Quakers, there’s a concept referred to as the “absolute perhaps”. One way of understanding this is I am absolutely certain that I can’t be absolutely sure about any belief I hold as true. An oxymoron at heart, but I think the message is clear enough. It’s a shame too many ignore its wisdom.


          • makagutu says:

            Was it Descartes who said the only thing we can be certain of was ‘I think’ or is it ‘I think therefore I am’ the rest follow from that premise. Many of us believe they have certainty in matters where such certainty is not possible

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        • jim- says:

          How do we know what we can know until we know it? Life is constantly being replaced by higher forms and we never see it coming. I suspect it may take a while, but we can know everything there is to know.


  4. I guess Kalam is just a fancy word for bullshit.


  5. Arnold says:

    Step 1a: Assume my conscience and the bible story align quite closely.
    Step 1b: Act on the bible story as fact.
    Step 1c: Continue.


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