while atheists are stuck in their position that the theists have not provided evidence for their claims about god, and others go as far as claiming theists have not even passed the first hurdle; what is god and why is it necessary that a god exists, the theists have 10 proofs. Who can deny 10 proofs? Only fools eh. What are these 10 proofs?
The first 5 proofs are the 5 ways of Thomas Aquinas. The first proof makes a claim that we have no way of confirming, that is, for something to happen in nature, there’s got to be something at the beginning of it that is outside of nature. We can’t know this. In the second proof, Aquinas is simply saying, I don’t know, therefore God. 3 way introduces a necessary existence which he makes his god. The 4th way is to say there are degrees of ugliness and the perfect ugliness must be god. The 5th way is the best. A rock falls down and not up because god. If this proof doesn’t convince you, I don’t know what will.
The 6th proof is quite complex. I can point at a tree and i can describe a tree. What connects the tree and my description is god.
The seventh proof is not a proof really, but is in itself need of proof. It is a claim that there has to be a powerful something causing organization in the world.
Mathematics or our concept of justice have actual existence out of our minds and therefore this is the 8th proof of god.
Things don’t just exist. The reason for their existence is god. And this is our 9th proof.
To deny the existence of god is to deny the existence of moral law. This is the 10th proof.
Atheists I know you are now totally stumped and will be walking in droves to join the church next door or you will go to hell.
Have a proof full day, won’t you.
Random thoughts 
I am convinced, and thus, I am a Muslim. I’m a theist because of all the fine reasons above and I’m s Muslim because the Koran says it is not to be doubted. Mic drop baby! How much more proof do you need god exists and that he’s Muslim?! How much!
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You have the wrong religion my friend. Blaise Pascal would tell you so.
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Well, then, he was an idjit who couldn’t read! Dang fool is certainly burning in Muslim hell cause he backed the wrong water. Foolish, foolish man.
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Can one be in Catholic heaven and Muslim hell at the same time
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Nope. Catholic heaven is hell cause Catholics made the wrong wager and bet on the wrong god. This is an undeniable fact. Why, it even says so in the Koran. And when, oh when, has an ancient holy book like that EVER been wrong about anything, eh.
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Catholic heaven, hell and hell are same place? Does the Pope go to Muslim heaven to be near St. Peter? Talking of which, did Peter make the right decision given Islam was not born then?
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So many wagers to take! Only the wise take the right one, the Muslim one. 🙂
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Let me hedge my bets. This waging business is tricky. There must be supply side issues in Muslim heaven
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I don’t argue religion any more. My question to the faithful, “Where the Hell is heaven?” or something to that effect! Heaven is that magical place that children create when they are told fairy tales by their parents. It is all imagination..the magic of the mind. GROG
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Hello Grog.
Heaven is the abode of the gods angels and those who are saved. It is outside space and spaceless.
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Where is this place outside of space? If it is spaceless it can’t exist except as a thought in a deluded mind. All events in the universe are natural. If heaven were to exist any interaction between the natural universe and heaven would be a miracle. GROG
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I wish I knew this space that is spaceless.
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Methinks it would be tough to breathe in a place that is spaceless … 🤔
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This spaceless place is so big, there is abundance of everything
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I’m not sure why I’m even trying, but lets just start with “proof” #1.
This is literally the fallacy of incredulity. Stated simply, “I don’t know, therefore God.”
The problem with this fallacy, of course, is it has been wrong hundreds of times. And when your logic leads to the wrong answer hundreds of times, it is not a trusted method.
“Lightning can not be created by man, therefore god” is such an example. In the days before electricity was understood, lightning seemed unnatural. It seemed to be a force only a god could wield. But now that we understand electricity well enough that I’m literally using it to communicate right now, lightning no longer needs a god.
This is true hundreds of times over. So claiming the next unknown (which actually is already known) as the place where there was an involvement by a deity is a bet you are sure to lose.
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I can point at a tree and i can describe a tree. What connects the tree and my description is god.
I don’t even understand what that means.
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That’s cause you’re a godless son of a bitch. 😊
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Must be, because I’m at a total loss 🙂
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The guy argues following Plato, that there is a tree and treeness which is the essence of the tree. And what links the tree and its essence is god. Man, it makes no sense even when you read it aloud.
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It’s not word salad, it’s word vomit. It’s garbage that they say so flowery they think it’s deeply relevant and meaningful. Utter meaningless tripe.
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You know I agree with you
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Ooooh, Mel Wild used to go on about this essence business.
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How Ark would stand them day in and out, I need help understanding
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This is why you are not going to heaven.
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Sounds fair. Oh well.
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