on the death penalty

Mick asked me to comment on this post. I hope he will not mind me doing it here.

Mick says prison these days is not punishment. In his own words

As soon as I walked in I could feel the tight suffocating atmosphere. I could instantly tell suffering had took place here for any crimes.  The rooms were small and some with no windows. The inmates had to work hard just for their breakfast.

prisons should be made in this way and this reminds me of Jean Valjean in Les Miserables. I sympathized with him, hated him and then loved him. Did prison make him a better person or a worse person? How did society treat him?

Mick tells us

They should be wiped out and took out of life so we don’t have to care for them. This will free up space in prisons with people of lesser crimes.

and

If someone had murdered someone close to me I don’t see jail as justice not in the modern day.

I hope he will be willing to kill the perpetrator himself and not defer the punishment to the government. I want him to choke the murderer to death. Or stone him to death or maybe burn him at the stake and then write about how he feels about it. No lethal injection or firing squad. Him and the offender.

He makes allowance, wait for it

I understand rapists and thieves etc should be given second chances etc but murderers especially cold brutal murderers should be put to sleep.

I am confused. I thought he was all out for execution for criminals. Why does he give rapists a second chance but not murderers?

I would love Mick to tell me his views on war.

I do not support capital punishment.

I don’t know what I would do were I in a situation where I was face to face with a person who had murdered one of my family members or friends. If, for example, they had killed them with a knife and they court told me I can kill him too but with a knife, would I do it? I think not.

Is capital punishment preferred because it is the government doing the killing on our behalf or would we still want it if we were to do the killing ourselves? What does it make of us?

To punish or not to punish

That is the question.

I agree with those who consider beating children as a means to discipline is bad parenting. I saw no difference between kids who were spanked and those who weren’t.

There was spanking both in my primary and high school days. Looking back, the spanking didn’t act as a deterrent. Many times, the spanking made no sense. I remember in high school, we came up with ways to cheat the teachers.

Those who think spanking is good for character formation should tell us why in the comments section.

In Tyranny of god, Joseph Lewis writes

The child is brought into this world from the insuppressible passion of two people, and surely without its consent, and it is absolute tyranny and barbarity to torment its mind or to punish its body, regardless of the result its action may have upon us.

To the little children that have suffered the horrible punishment so generally followed in that cruel and false book—the Bible—my heart goes out in pity, since words fail me to describe those savage characters that visit inhuman, tormenting and torturous treatment upon their unwelcome offspring.

If we were forced to perform the thousand tyrannies that are directed against the child during the day by cruel and thoughtless parents, the lunatic asylum would soon be our place of refuge. Such trivial things as a spot on the shoe, a speck of dirt upon the clothes, a mere tip of the hat, a slight turn of the scarf often give rise to such violent reprimand, and very often brutal punishment, that the savageness of barbarians is mild compared to such displays of temper.

My heart again goes out to you, little children, when and wherever you are, that must bear the brunt of brutal actions from stupid and thoughtless parents and guardians. These people seem to classify children in the matter of discipline as grown ups, thinking(or, rather, not thinking) that children’s undeveloped minds should be as strong as theirs, when they themselves are unable to practice the self-denial that they expect from mere infants.

How often does a child receive a slap in the face from a parent for the asking of only a simple question, when the parent is not in the “humor” to “bother” with him?

What a painful and terrifying beating does a child often get for disobeying some arbitrary command uttered by the one over him. To the child, “Don’t do this,” “Don’t go there,” “Stand up straight,” and “Say this” are commands that carry with them court martial and its severe and unrelenting punishment.

he also says, and I agree

Prayers are only wasted words on the desert air. The greatest mental crime ever committed is that of teaching a child, “while still upon its mother’s knee,” its duty and obedience to God. It would appear that for the amount of suffering it must endure, and in the face of its unconsulted coming, we should at least disregard God for his insolence, and impress upon the child the peculiar conditions of life. We should instruct it, that from time immemorial, Nature has been laboring through the most awkward process of reproduction, and has finally brought the child into existence, not to enjoy the benefits, or eat of the fruits of the earth, but to bear a life of continual strife and suffering. Not of God should we speak to our child, but of the importance of being prepared to do all in its power to help others to escape the torture, misery and hardships it must so painfully overcome. Is it any wonder that we grow up to be serfs and slaves? Before we are able to know or understand the very rudest fundamentals of life, our entire mental machinery is corrupted by unshakable fears and dedicated to the vilest and most sickening submission. Would that we were left alone, and free to follow the thoughts of our own minds, regarding the great problems of life. What a mighty, unhampered power we would possess to find the proper course of action, and possibly the real solution to the mystery of the Tyranny of God!