And if your overtly religious folks want to convert you by any many means, you blame a whole nation. You’d think the states in Africa conspired to forcefully convert one poor atheist to Islam!
Over at Nate’s, there is discussion going on regarding questions UncleE thinks are problematic to an atheistic worldview.
First, I have been reliably informed by my friends atheism has no content other than a lack of belief in deities, whatever these are. This is to say, you should give a reason for any position you take. Being an atheist cannot be one of them.
With that introduction, the question posed by UncleE, can be dismissed as not being problematic to atheism.
I will indulge UncleE though. His question
Do we have free will? If so, how? If not how can any choice be based on evidence rather than brain processes?
First, I will mention what Bob said the other day. We cannot have absolutist answers on questions that are not amenable to proof one way or another. I am a freewill skeptic and will remain so till I am convinced otherwise.
I think the question is a false dilemma. Isn’t evaluation of reasonableness a brain process? And how are we to tell that a thing is not a brain process?
This question is not a problem for atheism. To the best of my knowledge, Marvin is an atheist and a compatibilist same as Dennett.
I am hoping UncleE will ask better questions in future.
in god is both ridiculous and beneath human dignity
Max Demian to Sinclair in Demian by H. Hesse
You have met ufuomaee before. She has written a letter to atheists. She has diagnosed all of you and here is the prognosis
You have a problem. You have an addiction.
and you may want to know what is the cause of your addiction. Guess.., I will wait.
The cause of your addiction is
You crave to know.
And her remedy
In your longing for the truth, wait. Wait in expectation. Wait, and believe that there is a Truth to know. Don’t start thinking about what it is. Just free your mind.
In case you have any doubts, the truth is in the bible. I think she was being sarcastic but failed miserably.
prayer prager group has a problem with anyone questioning POTUS45. Anyone who thinks tRump could be misguided is a Fascist. What would Jeebus say?
And finally, the best for last!
If there is no god.
Someone please tell me if those boy fucking priests didn’t believe in god?
Or the countless people who have killed others because god told them so didn’t believe in god.
Have a good weekend everyone and see you soon.
She tells us, with bold font added by us for emphasis, that
This was like some sort of a revelation, at the time I shared it. I was thinking, at the time, how the value we place on our lives here and now is often what hinders us from believing in God and eternity. And I think this is the fundamental flaw of Mike’s analysis.
which, dear friends, is not why we are atheists. It is the failure by the god believers to provide evidence for their god that we are atheists. The same goes for eternity. We have no evidence to believe in eternity. And besides, if she didn’t value this life why would she want eternity, especially if, to her, eternity is a continuation of this life in the presence of her loved deity?
I think it was Nietzsche who said Christianity is a death cult. Our friend writes,
But in Christianity, we called to DIE before we can live…
And I think most of them remain dead. They never live.
She then tells us
I think the reason I have never cried, and will never cry for this child (which Mike believes is fictional), is because I believe that he is already in a better place (). This life, here on Earth, is over-rated!
And I am wondering why Christians like her aren’t praying to god to call them to his dwelling place. All of the Christians I know love this life and don’t want to die. They take medication when they are sick, eat well and so much more. To say you wont weep for the child because he is in a better place, a place you have no way of knowing it exists, is to me heartless.
Atheists, she says
But here it is, the thing Atheists can’t seem to get their heads around – God is the only one JUST to take away what He is the only one able to give.
Divine Command Theory anyone?
If she were arguing as David Benatar does in his book Better not to have been, then this
Whether or not he would have lived a life worth living, or if he would have been a tyrant of a king, we really don’t know.
would have had some weight. Or if she were like Spencer, who when his newly born babe died, argued the bible was very wise to not have wanted to live long. Reminds me of what Nietzsche writes, it is better not to be born but once born to die sooner. For a person who believes in an omnipotent god, what a person becomes should not be a problem. Unless she is willing to limit the extent of omnipotence, she can’t have her cake and eat it.
Her next consideration also paints a picture of a god without options and incapable of seeing his works to fruition. If, as the book says, they were god’s chosen people, one shouldn’t even consider the possibility of a powerful god failing to provide them with a leader. Most of the time believers point to Joseph as an example of god working with anyone he so chooses. There should have been no vacuum of leadership were god to do the right thing. Besides it would have been a good lesson to the people of Israel that it is not proper to get a person killed to have either his wife or husband as the case may be.
Why did god command several wars of annihilation for entire tribes?
I know why God did it (the same reason you don’t cut off weeds, but pull them out, roots and all), but I really wish there had been another way prepared then.
Who was their god? Couldn’t Adonai forgive them without having to shed blood? Was it possible that even the day old babes in Sodom were guilty of some transgression?
While she says
One innocent child dying at the judgement of God, I can understand…
I, on the other hand, with Ivan in the Inquisitor cannot accept the death of a single child at the judgement of god. What god does that to a child?
It has not always been the case that
I think that even today, a king’s life is considered as valuable as that of all his subjects combined! The reasoning goes that without his leadership to unite and guide them, they would all certainly fall into chaos, mischief and peril.
and this is supported by the many instances of ritual killing of the kings.
And while it is the case that
The truth is we all make judgement calls on the value of human life every day by the way we treat the living; whether near or far, friend or foe, sinner or saint, rich or poor, black or white etc. Evidence shows that the value of human life is both immeasurable and inconsistently applied.
we have the excuse of being ignorant, driven by passions we hardly can control and greed. What excuse would a god have for treating humanity with favouritism, especially, being as it were, that he is claimed to be the creator?
Finally, she asks
It has also always baffled me how Atheists or Humanists would make an issue with God about His right to take life at will, and yet condone abortion for those who are inconvenienced by the life of another human being. But that’s a whole other kettle of fish.
and I think this is to trivialize the issue.
To answer her final questions.
- Has this post given you a new perspective on Christianity and the God of the Bible?
No, but it has done much more to convince me that some Christians are no different from their god.
- What about the value we place on humanity?
Nothing new here. It is evident that we treat people differently, and for good reason.
- Do you think that such accounts are proof that Jehovah is fictional or is there a different perspective on this you would like to share?
No, the accounts themselves do not tell us much about whether god[s] exist. Similarly, reading about wizards in any of Harry Potter books doesn’t bring us any close to solving the problem of wizards. All we can tell is that an author at a certain point in history imagined a god who abates assassinations and chooses as his representative the perpetrators of crimes. Nothing else. It is just a so so story and nothing more.