Christ myth

By Andrew Drews.

By the 19th century, if not earlier, critical scholarship on Jesus of theology had returned a verdict of non existence. Theologians and their followers, however, still maintain a belief in a historical Jesus.

How is it that religion is so resistant to evidence? How come little of the critical scholarship seem to permeate the publics and majority of believers take it on the word of their shepherds that the Jesus of theology is a historical personage.

There has been argument by others, religious and secular, that the Christ of theology is based on a historical personage. This admission however annihilate any possibility of the historicity of the Jesus of theology. He just doesn’t exist.

And so the verdict must stand that the Jesus of theology never walked this good earth.

Quote: On Jesus

We have said several times on this blog that the Jesus of the gospels did not exist. The Jesus born of a virgin, performed miracles, died on the cross and went to the clouds and remained there, that I will need evidence. If there is a historical Jesus, it is not the Jesus Hubris Christ of the bible and am willing to listen to anyone who has information that would lead to the identification of this other Jesus. That said, I have here a quote fromย The Quest of the historical Jesusย by Albert Schweitzer, which the author tells us is a conclusion one would arrive at when they read the life of Jesus by Bruno Bauer

The formation of the church and the arising of the idea that the Jesus of the Gospels is the messiah are not two different things, they are one and the same thing, they coincide and synchronize; but the idea was only the imaginative conception of the church, the first movement of its life, the religious expression of its experience.

The question which has so much exercised the minds of men-whether Jesus was the historic Christ- is answered in the sense that everything that the historical Christ is, everything that is said of him, everything that is known of him, belongs to the world of imagination, that is, of the imagination of the Christian community, and therefore has nothing to do with any man who belongs to the real world.

The historicists who visit this blog would do us some justice if they could respond to the above claim by leading us to any credible evidence for the historical Jesus. Am sure we would all appreciate.

Did Jesus exist

Our good friend the Ark wrote this and it occurred to me to ask a very pertinent question. At what point in the history of the church did the gospel authors get the title saint? I don’t think anyone writing would have called himself St Mathew.

I don’t understand this inspiration business. Since the gospel authors do not claim to be witnesses for example Luke 1: 1-4ย , how do they claim to know what Jesus thought in some occasions when he was in private? How did they know?

And why should we believe these people? Why should we take them seriously and dismiss the Odyssey with the stories of Minerva. Is not the gospels high fiction where we have a man born of a virgin, hang on a cross and then an empty grave followed by ascension to heaven ensuring there is no scrap of evidence left behind to be considered.

I hope someday someone will come with good enough evidence for the Jesus of the bible. I am unconvinced of his historicity.

And in the words of Moncure D. Conway,

The world has been for a long time engaged in writing lives of Jesus… The library of such books has grown since then. But when we come to examine them, one startling fact confronts us: all of these books relate to a personage concerning whom there does not exist a single scrap of contemporary information — not one! By accepted tradition he was born in the reign of Augustus, the great literary age of the nation of which he was a subject. In the Augustan age historians flourished; poets, orators, critics and travelers abounded. Yet not one mentions the name of Jesus Christ, much less any incident in his life.ย 

we say we are far from persuaded to believe your stories. And as somebody else wrote, let us leave Jesus in the clouds where he ascended to.

For the Ark

Of all my friends on the blogosphere, I know of none other than the Ark who will enjoy this conversation taking place immediately after the crucifixion of Zombie Jesus.

First, I will declare the story is not originally mine and that I am just the hand that will bring it to the public, who otherwise may not see it. It is adapted from The truth about Jesus: Is he myth by M.M Mangasarian

The following conversation takes place between us and the apostles.

We ask

How long have you known Jesus?

I have known him for one year.

And I for two.

And I for three.

Has any of you known him for more than three years?

No.

Was he with his apostles for one year or for three?

For one.

No, for three.

You are not certain, then, how long Jesus was with his apostles.

No.

How old was Jesus when crucified?

About thirty-one.

No, about thirty-three.

No, he was much older, about fifty.

You cannot tell with any certainty, then, his age at the time of his death.

No.

You say he was tried and crucified in Jerusalem before your own eyes, can you remember the date of this great event?

We cannot.

Were you present when Jesus was taken down from the cross?

We were not.

You cannot tell, then, whether he was dead when taken down.

We have no personal knowledge.

Were you present when he was buried?

We were not, because we were in hiding for our lives.

You do not know, therefore, whether he was actually buried, or where he was buried.

We do not.

Were any of you present when Jesus came forth from the grave?

Not one of us was present,

Then, you were not with him when he was taken down from the cross; you were not with him when he was interred, and you were not present when he rose from the grave.

We were not.

When, therefore, you say, he was dead, buried and rose again, you are relying upon the testimony of others?

We are.

Will you mention the names of some of the witnesses who saw Jesus come forth from the tomb?

Mary Magdalene, and she is here and may be questioned.

Were you present, Mary, when the angels rolled away the stone, and when Jesus came forth from the dead?

No, when I reached the burying place early in the morning, the grave had already been vacated, and there was no one sleeping in it.

You saw him, then, as the apostles did, _after_ he had risen?

Yes.

But you did not see anybody rise out of the grave.

I did not.

Are there any witnesses who saw the resurrection?

There are many who saw him after the resurrection.

But if neither they nor you saw him dead, and buried, and did not see him rise, either, how can you tell that a most astounding and supposedly impossible miracle had taken place between the time you saw him last and when you saw him again two or three days after? Is it not more natural to suppose that, being in a hurry on account of the approaching Sabbath, Jesus, if ever crucified, was taken down from the cross before he had really died, and that he was not buried, as rumor states, but remained in hiding; and his showing himself to you under cover of darkness and in secluded spots and in the dead of night only, would seem to confirm this explanation. You admit also that the risen Jesus did not present himself at the synagogues of the people, in the public streets, or at the palace of the High Priest to convince them of his Messiahship.

Do you not think that if he had done this, it would then have been impossible to deny his resurrection? Why, then, did Jesus hide himself after he came out of the grave? Why did he not show himself also to his enemies? Was he still afraid of them, or did he not care whether they believed or not? If so, why are _you_ trying to convert them? The question waits for a reasonable answer; Why did not Jesus challenge the whole world with the evidence of his resurrection? You say you saw him occasionally, a few moments at a time, now here, and now there, and finally on the top of a mountain whence he was caught up in a cloud and disappeared altogether. But that “cloud” has melted away, the sky is clear, and there is no Jesus visible there. The cloud, then, had nothing to hide. It was unnecessary to call in a cloud to close the career of your Christ.The grave is empty, the cloud has vanished. Where is Christ? In heaven! Ah, you have at last removed him to a world unknown, to the undiscovered country. Leave him there! Criticism, doubt, investigation, the light of day, cannot cross its shores. Leave him there!