additional thoughts on previous post

In his response to SB, Lyle writes

I did not say a person without faith could not or does not understand The the transcendental concepts I spoke about. To the contrary the Bible says that God has written his law in everyone’s heart. However, if there was no deity to write those laws on humanity’s heart there would be no laws. In theology they call this natural law. The founding fathers believed in natural law and therefore could say that these truths are self evident. They were self evident because they were revealed by God to all men. That is all men. Unfortunately, the younger generation knows nothing about natural law and therefore finds the declaration and Constitution difficult to understand.

You sound like a civil person if you would like to continue a discussion I would be glad to do so. However, I am turning off the comments on my blog because of the language an the attitudes reflected by some of the new atheist which have responded to my blog. I have agreed to respond to a few, but I am not excited about it because most of their ideas are self assertions with no quotes from authorities In philosophy or science. They are an authority unto themselves. Such people no one can debate with nor take serious. if you would like to share send your blog.

Natural law is

a philosophy of law that is determined by nature, and so is universal. Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature — both social and personal — and deduce binding rules of moral behavior from it.

It allows no room for the supernatural. It has nothing to do with gods. To claim natural law is given by god is a contradiction in terms. They are self-evident because they are derived from nature. A person feels pain, they don’t like it. They infer they shouldn’t inflict pain on others. No god is necessary. To posit a god is superfluous.

The world is a big place. It is bigger than the US of A. And anyone with an IQ greater than my shirt would know natural law was spoken of long before the American Declaration of Independence. I believe Thomas Aquinas wrote way before the founding of the US of A and he wrote on natural law as deriving from the nature of man. I think instead of Lyle saying the younger generation being clueless on natural, it is him that is clueless. And what have I to do with the declaration or constitution of the US. You have written a post about atheists and morality not American jurisprudence. These are not related topics.

It is true SB is very civil and polite. I try civility once in a while.

It is strange that a guy who is berating atheists is closing comments on his post because he doesn’t like what he is hearing. Stranger though is that only SB had commented by the time of writing this post. Unless of course he is referring to GC’s and my response.

And then he dismissed our responses by an appeal to authority! Our criticisms are not valid because we have not quoted a bible verse or a theologian! What nerve some believers have?

I make no apologies for being an authority unto myself. In the event you want me to quote an authority, just ask. I know they are not in short supply.

Defining natural law: a response

In there can be no liberty without religion I contended that the author of the post had contradicted himself when he claimed that there is more to Natural Law that what is natural. He has since written two posts to decry my use of and understanding of logic. I will respond to just this last one and it will be my last for here am dealing with an idiot.

In his recent post, defining natural law, he writes

a body of law or a specific principle held to be derived from nature and binding upon human society in the absence of or in addition to positive law.

and in my post I wrote

Natural law is a philosophy of law that is determined by nature, and so is universal. Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature — both social and personal — and deduce binding rules of moral behavior from it.

How in all things unholy is my definition a misunderstanding of natural law. Have I in the definition written anything about what comprises the universe?

I don’t see the relevance to the discussion on natural law the following by the OP

By definition, anything that exists as a part of or which functions in this universe would be ‘Natural.’  In other words, is ‘naturally’ occurs as an inherent part of the universe’s existence.  Now, whether the materialist likes it or not, there is much more to this universe than just matter.  Therefore, it naturally follows that there are more than one set of laws in this universe.

And I didn’t make it up when I said atheists want to kill Christians. The OP wrote

That is why they have and continue to be so consistent in their attempts to eliminate Jews and Christians.  I know this to be true because they have said so.

So that when he writes

Do I accuse them of wanting to kill me?

what does he mean?

I did write that morality only makes sense in community. Where there is no reciprocity, there can be no use of morals. In his rant to show am wrong, he has done nothing to show where 1) I misunderstood him 2) where am wrong.

He has a written a long post and it is Monday, there is a beautiful lady waiting for me so I will not bother with the rest of what he has written. I will only like to point out that he has an idiot who has commented in his post, who for lack of a better word is a dickhead. He writes this about me and inspired one

If you are referring to the Mr Magoogoo or whatever he calls himself blog…..the one called ‘Random Thoughts : random musings about everything’, I would say his post is more “random phrases about nothing”.

Mr Magoo is a clear a Statist utopian Progressive with all the requisite predilections towards violence. And true to all Leftists ( gays, democrats, environmentalists, Race-baitors and the rest of the Communist Circle-jerk club) his own ‘allies’ include a die-hard muslim ( calling itself “inspiredbythedivine” … while spewing hatred ).

Same cast of disreputable characters….spewing the same Anti-Christian and Anti-Jewish garbage that we see in our own press.

which I find funny really. I didn’t know Jeff was Muslim, things you learn daily. And I honestly didn’t know that I tend towards violence. I think I need to be restrained before I hurt myself and others.