Why are the pyramids not mentioned in the Old Testament?

I am on Quora and I get weekly digests in mail. Today I see the question where are pyramids not mentioned in the OT and I recalled I had written about it. In the post I wrote, the author argued that the bible authors were never in Egypt which would also explain other things as why the Egyptians don’t have them in their records anywhere. 

In short, the pyramids are not in the OT because the bible authors couldn’t have known about their existence given they were never in Egypt.

Egypt knew no Pharaoh nor israelites

By Ezzat

I was reading this book that makes some very wild claims concerning bible stories, especially the old testament variety.

The thesis is that the stories might have taken place but the geographical location is Yemen and Arabia not Egypt nor Palestine. That the Egyptian geography is a fraud by the scribes who translated the Hebrew Bible to Greek.

He also argues that Egypt was the land of the Copts not Misr/ Mizrain ( all Arabic names). In his view, to do justice to the Torah, it should be returned to its true site, that’s Arabia. He even says the reason the Quran’s seeming similarity with the Torah is not because Mo copied but because they share the same cultural origins: violence, tribalism and slavery that’s why these themes take prominent stage in these books.

On the other hand, the land of the pyramids knew no slaves. And no prolonged droughts. Nor is it conceivable that in 400 years, the Egyptians were not affected by these goat herders. Egypt makes no mention of these goat herders and even the exodus is unknown to Egypt.

It seems to me, a lot of work needs to go into verifying this thesis. Maybe if this happens, those guys fighting may learn to live in peace given they share the same cultural heritage.

About the city of Ai

And Joshua burned Ai and made it a mound forever, a desolation to this day And he hanged the king of Ai on a tree until the evening, and when the sun set Joshua have a command, and they threw his corpse down from the tree and three it down at the entrance of the city’s gate and set up a big pile of stones over him to this day

If any one has an idea where Ai is and whether archaeologists have found the bones of the king, let me know. I want to visit Ai.

on what to do with tithe?

Should it be given to the priest or should it be spent as one pleases?

The writer of Deuteronomy thinks one should use it as they please (Deut 14:22-26)

22 “You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year. 23 And before the Lord your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. 24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the Lord your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses, to set his name there, 25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses 26 and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household.

or should you give it to the priest, as the priest has ordained it (Numbers 18:25-28)

25 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 26 “Moreover, you shall speak and say to the Levites, ‘When you take from the people of Israel the tithe that I have given you from them for your inheritance, then you shall present a contribution from it to the Lord, a tithe of the tithe. 27 And your contribution shall be counted to you as though it were the grain of the threshing floor, and as the fullness of the winepress. 28 So you shall also present a contribution to the Lord from all your tithes, which you receive from the people of Israel. And from it you shall give the Lord’s contribution to Aaron the priest.

You know which one the pastor will be preaching the next Sunday, and the next and the next.

on whether god should be limited on how to communicate

On his blog post, Family ties, Nate says, as a matter of introduction

Regular readers of this blog may know that one of the first lines of evidence that caused me to begin questioning my Christian faith had to do with the Book of Daniel.

Nate’s blog is an interesting read for those who may not have an idea who Nebuchadnezzar was. It is not the interest of this blog. Our interest is a comment by rank apologist unkleE.

He sets the argument thus

1. If the christian God exists, he would communicate perfectly.
2. Such perfection would certainly include the Bible, which is claimed to be his “Word”.
3. The Bible clearly contains errors, including historical inaccuracies and failed prophecies.
4. Therefore the christian God doesn’t exist.

I don’t know if Nate agrees with the conclusion 4. One would easily argue, as apologists have argued when dealing with the problem of evil, that god has its reasons for mishandling matters and this includes communication. While this argument does seem to solve the problem, it creates room for other questions.

For example if we accept uncleE’s claim god doesn’t have to communicate clearly, we should ask

  1. why should anyone be threatened with eternal damnation for acting on their interpretation of the good book
  2. who is to tell the true interpretation?

And if as uncleE insists that scholars, who he seems to name only two, wouldn’t agree with Nate’s conclusions, we must ask why then can belief in the bible stories be restricted to scholars? There is no conflict that is about to arise because two scholars disagree ion how to interpret one of Shakespeare’s sonnets. Lives have been lost on doctrinal matters and interpretation of what the bible commands. I think it is only fair to ask that these matter be addressed conclusively.

The author of Supernatural Religion wrote

Christianity professes to be a Divine revelation of truths which the human intellect could not otherwise have discovered. It is not a form of religion developed by the wisdom of man and appealing to his reason, but a system miraculously communicated to the human race, the central doctrines of which are either superhuman or untenable. If the truths said to be revealed were either of an ordinary character or naturally attainable, they would at once discredit the claim to a Divine origin. No one could maintain that a system discoverable by reason would be supernaturally communicated. The whole argument for Christianity turns upon the necessity of such a revelation, and the consequent probability that it would be made.

And I think this is enough in answering the claims uncleE raises on inspiration or divine revelation.

I take issue with this comment

finally you dispose of a real problem for your argument with the statement “It’s a shame that God didn’t preserve his word in a language that would eliminate this kind of confusion, but there you go.” which is unworthy of your usual high standards of accuracy and fairness, and dodges rather than explains the difficulty.

by uncleE because Nate, in my view, doesn’t dodge the question but is expressing a valid opinion. Inquiring minds want to know why god has not been keen to say the correct message, especially in a field with so many contenders and which translation is divinely approved.

I am hoping unclE will be kind enough to tell us what the thoughtful Christians believe and how we should name them. Maybe from his exposition we should also help him and the rest of their group correct all the other misguided lot. I could do this free, you know.

The Jews

As a statement of post-modern and super-terrestrial fact, the religion that the Jews have foisted upon the world seems to me to be as vast a curse as the influenza that we inherit from the Tatars or the democratic fallacies set afloat by the French Revolution. The one thing that can be said in favour of it is that it is not true, and yet we suffer from it almost as much as if it were true.

[..]A race of lawgivers? Bosh! Leviticus is as archaic as the Code of Manu, and the Decalogue is a fossil. A race of seers? Bosh again! The god they saw survives only as a bogey-money, a theory, an uneasy and vexatious ghost.

But a race of poets, my lords, a race of poets! It is a vision of beauty that has ever haunted them. And it has been their destiny to transmit that vision, enfeebled, perhaps, but still distinct, to other and lesser peoples, that life might be made softer for the sons of men, and the goodness of the lord god- whoever he may be- might not be forgotten.

H. L Mencken

Easter is approaching

and we have questions.

1. If Moses was inspired and the book of the law was lost and destroyed and later written by Ezra, was he [Ezra] also inspired and if yes was the inspiration of Moses important? [WE are granting for argument’s sake Moses walked on the planet]

2. HOW was David ancestry important in the life of Jeebus if he was born of the holy spirit?

3. How long was Jeebus’ ministry?

4. When was he born?

5. Where was his ministry based and how many times was he in Jerusalem?

6. Was he falsely accused?

7. When did he die?

 

An apologist lying through his teeth

If Jesus lived, he said[Mathew 5:17-19]

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So, a christian who makes a claim to the contrary is cherry picking what to follow and is lying in the process.

It’s Aaron’s turn

In the last chapter, we had Aaron and Co being consecrated to do god’s work. You know this is the most paying job, you get the choicest meat but doesn’t have to keep cows, grow corn and so on. Here we have Aaron performing his first killing act, killing cows, goats and I don’t know what else.

Now it came about on the eighth day that Moses called Aaron and his sons and the elders of Israel;and he said to Aaron, “Take for yourself a calf, a bull, for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering, both without defect, and offer them before the Lord.

Who has sinned? Is it the bulls or the goats or is it Aaron and Co. I need help in knowing for whom this offering was offered. And why not just whip the guy?

Then to the sons of Israel you shall speak, saying, ‘Take a male goat for a sin offering, and a calf and a lamb, both one year old, without defect, for a burnt offering, and an ox and a ram for peace offerings, to sacrifice before the Lord, and a grain offering mixed with oil; for today the Lord will appear to you.’

If am a breeder, none of my cows, goats or sheep would be without defect. Who wants animals killed to appease a god who doesn’t have a cowshed?

So they took what Moses had commanded to the front of the tent of meeting, and the whole congregation came near and stood before the Lord. Moses said, “This is the thing which the Lord has commanded you to do, that the glory of the Lord may appear to you.” Moses then said to Aaron, “Come near to the altar and offer your sin offering and your burnt offering, that you may make atonement for yourself and for the people; then make the offering for the people, that you may make atonement for them, just as the Lord has commanded.”

These guys have just been living in the tent of meeting for the last 7 days since consecration. What are they seeking atonement for? I need help here.

So Aaron came near to the altar and slaughtered the calf of the sin offering which was for himself.Aaron’s sons presented the blood to him; and he dipped his finger in the blood and put some on the horns of the altar, and poured out the rest of the blood at the base of the altar.

I don’t like blood, this guys have a liking for blood which I don’t have.

10 The fat and the kidneys and the lobe of the liver of the sin offering, he then offered up in smoke on the altar just as the Lord had commanded Moses. 11 The flesh and the skin, however, he burned with fire outside the camp.

So god loves liver and kidneys, just the choicest parts. Skin eh, no no, doesn’t make good BBQ.

12 Then he slaughtered the burnt offering; and Aaron’s sons handed the blood to him and he sprinkled it around on the altar. 13 They handed the burnt offering to him in pieces, with the head, and he offered them up in smoke on the altar. 14 He also washed the entrails and the legs, and offered them up in smoke with the burnt offering on the altar.

There is a lot of smoke in this business. Any of you want to be a priest? Please say no 😀

15 Then he presented the people’s offering, and took the goat of the sin offering which was for the people, and slaughtered it and offered it for sin, like the first. 16 He also presented the burnt offering, and offered it according to the ordinance. 17 Next he presented the grain offering, and filled his hand with some of it and offered it up in smoke on the altar, besides the burnt offering of the morning.

Who was their mechanical engineer? With all this smoke, they need serious extractors and air flow. I can’t imagine how they managed to survive all this smoke.

18 Then he slaughtered the ox and the ram, the sacrifice of peace offerings which was for the people; and Aaron’s sons handed the blood to him and he sprinkled it around on the altar. 19 As for the portions of fat from the ox and from the ram, the fat tail, and the fat covering, and the kidneys and the lobe of the liver, 20 they now placed the portions of fat on the breasts; and he offered them up in smoke on the altar. 21 But the breasts and the right thigh Aaron presented as a wave offering before the Lord, just as Moses had commanded.

Were they already fighting? What did they need peace offerings for? How do you offer a wave offering? Does it mean god is chilling some place waiting to see Aaron’s or whoever is making the offering wave then he will come down and have a toast to BBQ, just asking?

22 Then Aaron lifted up his hands toward the people and blessed them, and he stepped down after making the sin offering and the burnt offering and the peace offerings. 23 Moses and Aaron went into the tent of meeting. When they came out and blessed the people, the glory of the Lord appeared to all the people.

Someone please tell me, how the glory of god should look like. You see I would want to know should this glory show up.

24 Then fire came out from before the Lord and consumed the burnt offering and the portions of fat on the altar; and when all the people saw it, they shouted and fell on their faces.

Did the lord show up after the glory or did he show up in the fire and why didn’t anyone present wait to describe the face of god. Don’t you think this guy would have contributed a great deal to humanity? I see why Muslims bend so many times in a day, they must see glory or fire of god five or is it seven times a day?

Death, boils and hail

When we last visited exodus, god had hardened pharaoh’s heart, to what extent I don’t know, so he didn’t let the sons of Israel go.

God appears to be angered by this and promises Moses and Aaron he is going to do worse things to the pharaoh. He kills all the livestock owned by pharaoh and the Egyptians but spares those owned by the sons of Israel. If the sons of Israel are slaves, it follows then that they are held us property of their master, what would stop their masters from taking their livestock? Am confused here, when  Jake came to Egypt, they asked to be allowed to stay in Goshen to keep their livestock since it was an abomination to the Egyptians, when did they start to keep livestock? Again as you’ll expect, god hardens pharaoh’s heart, so he can’t let the people go.

God angered by this, I don’t for the life of me see why he should be angry, he promises to bring boils and how does he do this;

10 So they took soot from a kiln, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses threw it toward the sky, and it became boils breaking out with sores on man and beast.

I thought all livestock belonging to the Egyptians have been killed, which beasts are this suffering boils? But even after this god still hardens pharaoh’s heart, god must be a sadist? Friends tell me, why would a god harden pharaoh’s heart? Is it to make Egyptians suffer, then he likes our suffering; if to show he is powerful then he is vain?

Boils have failed to work and now he brings hail storm and lightning that destroyed every plant and livestock in the field except in Goshen. If you pharaoh, what would you do? Plead with Moses or move your family to Goshen? That aside, what end did this god of the Hebrews aim to achieve? You realize, he ain’t god of everyone but for the Hebrews so those of you who say he is your god are mistaken 🙂

Pharaoh still refuses but not on his own accord. God is fully responsible for his refusal. We can safely say god refuses to free the people of Israel I think he still has some magic tricks up his sleeves.

Plague of the boils