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We are back to our normal programming. We will not answer the question but look forward to hearing your thoughts.
I, on my part, think those asking this question are not living.
We will allow the author to speak.
Ark has a post on getting them while young and then creationists keep them dumb.
I like listening to this fellow.
Does science disprove god? so the question gets asked.
Most who are scientifically minded quickly say no. They quickly add science is not in the business of god and accommodationists argue science and religion occupy different magestria.
But is this really the case or is this about modesty?
Take for example the case of evolution. If evolution is fact, Genesis 1 is disproved and this is a case of science disproving god. I may add here, for the benefit of my critique, that the theist could argue that it is their god that put the mechanism for evolution in place. This could be the case but they will have to choose whether such a god is beneficent or omnipotent.
In the same scenario, does an old universe disprove god? I think it does. And more still, whereas both the theist and atheist are ignorant of whether the universe is self existing or created, the atheist can say that so far as we know, all manifestations in nature (that is phenomena) need no supernatural push and to this extent science has shown no divine agency is necessary.
But one may ask about the nature of things in themselves and whether there is an Unknowable something beyond it all. Here, the theist may argue that at the beyond phenomena, in the dark areas where human knowledge can’t penetrate, there, their god resides. The atheist will argue from the indestructibility of matter and persistence of force, lies the source of all things. Since this is beyond all possible experience, conceding this to the theist gives them no advantage over the atheist.
In conclusion, in the area of experience, which is, in my view, the purview of science, it has been demonstrated there is no god, whatever they are conceived to be, but beyond the level of experience, everyone, atheist and theist alike are free to speculate all they want. Each must however remember that to think something could be, does not translate to it being.
S. H’s DECtalk DTC01: With the formidable lens of mathematics, and a fecundity of imagination, I have seen some amazing shit.
C. Fundie: “But you haven’t seen the amazing grace of Jesus.”
S. H’s DECtalk DTC01: I have watched, and celebrated, the birth and death of many a star type: Wolf Rayets, Pulsers, White Dwarfs, and Quasers.
C. Fundie: “Yeah, but you should read about the birth and death of Jesus. He died for you.”
S. H’s DECtalk DTC01: Through the eyepiece of mathematics, I have seen the Doppler shifts, Time and space dilation, the Lense-Thirring Precesion, and the Schwarzschild Radii that delineate all cosmic black holes.
C. Fundie: “I bet you didn’t go to church today.”
S.H’s DECtalk DTC01: I have delved into such corners of mathematics as topology and, armed with a wealth of cognitive constructions, stitched into existence non-orientable, counter-intuitive objects. I have reduced three dimensional artefacts into two dimensional surfaces, such as Mobius strips and Klein bottles.
C. Fundie: “Still, without Jesus in your heart, you labour in vain.”
S.H’s DECtalk DTC01: On particularly inspired days, I have shed off my shoes, and run barefoot through many an exotic Calabi-Yau pathways, soared naked and free through multi-faceted Hilbert Spaces, and beheld a spectrum of realms so abstract that my mortal eyes can only stare, awed and enchanted.
C. Fundie: “Come back to Jesus, and he will rescue you from eternal damnation.”
S.H’s DECtalk DTC01: And in all this, I find it impossible to imagine that a being as pathetic and primitive as that described in the various “Holy Books” could have created such cosmic wonders. If, indeed, such an entity exists, and wants to punish me in hell for all eternity after I die, so be it. I will enter hell with bright eyes, and a song in my heart, for the earthly ride was well worth it.
N/B: For access to all anecdotes in this series, check out List of all “Chronicles of YHWH” notes.
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