The things we hear

The author of this post says “We must continue to read the Bible and strive to discern what is truly from God” without telling us what tools we are to use to differentiate between the two. To their credit, they admit, contrary to many fundamentalist believers, that the bible is just made up by people who believed in God, but some of the Bible really does contain a message from our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ. I am sure Ken Ham and his ilk wouldn’t agree.

The author then tells us, without citation

God never told humanity that he would give us a perfect book, so it is not as though God is being dishonest. Rather, God is testing us, finding out if we will seek him regardless of imperfections in the Bible.

Citation needed.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

56 thoughts on “The things we hear

  1. shelldigger says:

    Oh! So the babble is a test then. A test of credulity perhaps.

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  2. shelldigger says:

    Well, they try to keep that a secret, but some of us figure it out ๐Ÿ™‚

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  3. shelldigger says:

    “God is testing us, finding out if we will seek him regardless of imperfections in the Bible.”

    I think that is a good place to start.

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  4. shelldigger says:

    I’m going with faulty documentation and malicious intent to scam humanity.

    We pass when we give up our invisible friends and accept our reality.


  5. Arnold says:

    I think the author is transcending Bible difficulties, creating a loophole for God. I’ve been tempted in that direction and passed through. God doesn’t need my defense–Jesus Christ accomplished


  6. renudepride says:

    What if the phrases everyone thought was divine reality was indeed the test of imperfection. Could we all have a party in hell? ๐Ÿ™‚ Naked hugs, my Kenyan brother!


  7. Ubi Dubium says:

    This was much like the attitude of my childhood church, which was a liberal Presbyterian one. They acknowledged that the bible was not to be taken 100% literally, and that some parts of it are mythological or metaphorical. Which results in much better social attitudes and no culture wars, which is a good thing. I could do with more churches of that type and fewer Fundie ones. But if you want to know how to tell which parts are right, you’ll likely be told to study and pray, and hey, isn’t it time to sing some more songs about love?

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    • makagutu says:

      Hello Ubi. I think to ask people to pray to discern which is fact and myth is to set people up for failure. It can have two outcomes; liberal believers or those true believers who think everyone is wrong and is going to hell. Leading, eventually to more division.

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      • Ubi Dubium says:

        Of course it does. I don’t claim that their solution doesn’t lead to division and confusion. Praying and studying doesn’t actually solve their problem, but handwaving the problem away lets them focus on other stuff.

        And I think there are at least three outcomes: Liberal believers who are OK with the handwaving, “literalist” believers who leave for other churches, and people like me who realize that the whole thing is a crock and leave religion entirely.


    • makagutu says:

      It looks like I didn’t pay a lot of attention to Catholic Church teaching. I can’t recall much of what we were taught in catechism


  8. Barry says:

    I don’t believe a citation by the author is necessary. It’s an opinion. What’s needed is a citation confirming that the bible really is the word of the Big Guy and that the theological claims made by fundamentalists are demonstrably true. I for one am not going to be holding my breath in anticipation, in spite of taking my religion very seriously.

    I’m not aware of any mainstream church in this part of the world (not sure about the Roman Catholic Church) who claim of the Bible anything other that it is a set of works inspired by its authors’ belief in God, and in the case of the New Testament, authors being inspired by the teachings of someone they refer to as Jesus. Fundamentalists and other Bible literalists aside, the Bible is not and never has been an accurate portrayal of history, the life of Jesus, nor a compendium on the mind of God.

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