I need guidance on a matter that confuses me daily.
There has been this twitter hashtag and I want to know if it is in order to contend that there is a problem with this blanket statement?
Does questioning the veracity of that statement equate to offering tacit support for misogyny, gender violence especially directed at women or is it possible to have this debate that there is a problem in society and acknowledge that men or women for that matter are not trash?
To add some context to why I am asking,
and my response
So now, is this a case of what about the menz? Is by disagreeing with such blanket statements mean I don’t recognize the problem?
Random thoughts 
I find twitter so confusing…
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Not so much if you are a regular user
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That might explain it
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For most people it’s confusing especially with its 140 character limit
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I’m with you, John.
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Twitter is so easy
You follow who you like, respond to what you like, in 140 characters then go and dance:-)
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I think one of the reasons I don’t do more with it is the “tweets” seem to come fast and furious. While you’re reading one, 10 more have been added. It’s just too much effort to keep up. And then those tweets with all the @’s before the message? Nope. I’ll stick with Facebook and blogs.
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I quit fb.
I follow just enough people so my timeline is not so busy
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Even though I’ve had a twitter account for several years, I’m with you Nan. It’s great for networking, or for giving your posts more exposure, but that’s about it, IMO.
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Really Victoria, twitter is good for news 🙂 if you don’t watch telly like yours truly
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Oh, I agree, Noel, but they repeat the same stories over and over and over. Once is enough, thank you very much.
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You are right on that
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There are idiots in every gender, race, religion . People need to learn not to paint everyone with the same brush.
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I thought so too. How do they expect conversation when they start….you there are trash, can we speak about this?
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Don’t do twitter so can’t really comment, other than to say it all sounds a bit odd to me.
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Of course no one sends prayers on Twitter to a stone god ;-). The question is whether it is wrong to disagree with the statement men are trash while still addressing issues that directly affect women, especially women?
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I know there men who collect trash. Does this count?
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Hahah. That does count. They are very important to neighborhoods
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Blanket statements of any kind are 100% wrong. To argue that blanket statements aren’t always 100% wrong is 100% wrong. I hate blanket statements entirely. They all are wrong and they all stink. Blankets are for beds, not for making statements. This is always true 100% of the time. Absolutely!
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This made me laugh
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😀
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I like blankets, especially the soft fake furry kind…………
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I like blankets, if they are warm and colourful
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We have a lovely snow leopard fake fur blanket on the bed now for winter. Cozy & warm!
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I should get myself a coloured cozy furry blanket for our cold months
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Many kinds to choose from, & they are so comfortable, & easy care.
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I will see if we have any here
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There is another hashtag called #KillAllMen
It’s being taught in schools that we live beneath a white, capitalist, patriarchy and everyone who isn’t white, cis or a man is being oppressed.
It’s okay to be sexist or racist towards these classes because they have the power and are oppressors. This is called power + prejudice = racist paradigm. You just happened to run into it on Twitter, but it’s happening fairly frequently in society.
It’s not okay to broad brush people, and in this case they’re being sexist, but because it’s against men they think it’s okay.
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Now killallmen is poetic. I like it. It would speed up the extinction of the human race and maybe elephants might just save their tusks 😉
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Support the Voluntary Extinction Movement!
(I have done my part, as have my brother and sister. The mediocre Miller gene thread is coming to an end!)
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I think the VEM is a great idea.
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If the hashtag was “all men are dogs” I could get on board with that. Arroooo!
I’d disagree with “all men are trash”
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Hahaha ha
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The “MenAreTrash” hashtag is despicable, and not reflective of the thoughts of most women.
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I agree with you. That was my contention and the response I got was another hashtag #notallmen. You can’t win.
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Well, they’re not worth the salt in my tears, so I don’t engage them. Like SoM, they’ve got to be the most illiterate (unaware) people on the planet, or they are trolls.
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Again, I will go with illiterate and simple minded.
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I look at it this way — I’ve had some really bad stuff happen to me, caused by men, but I do not see men as trash, and my best friends are men. So can’t use trauma inflicted on them as an excuse, if that’s why they are saying it. I just think they are trolls, TBH.
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That’s a good enough explanation. These days the line between a blockhead and a troll has become blurred
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I’ve been trying to cover myself in blanket statements all day. I’m quite good at it, but I’m no warmer than I was before I started.
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Maybe you are not using an adequate number of blanket statements
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Such hashtags are counterproductive. When I see a hashtag like that I immediately assume that the women involved hate man and are sextist so I will disregard everything they say.
As a white older man I get extremely annoyed by women who claim all man are sextist and people of colour who claim all white people are racist.
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I find all blanket statements disturbing, whatever the context, unless it is to say all men are mortal 🙂
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“Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.”― H.L. Mencken
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Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as some women hate one another.
Fixed.
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You’ll have to take it up with Mencken. 🙂
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I wonder if he would have agree with this:
Misandry: A woman who hates men as much as men hate one another.
Since he’s dead, I guess we’ll never know.
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As one who came out strongly in his defense of women, I think he would agree
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Do you agree?
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No. I am indifferent to some, don’t like others, and hate a few
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That’s what I thought, and can see my point.
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Oh yes, your point is clear, crystal clear
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He’s dead, but fortunately he left his thoughts on the matter.
“The man-hating woman, like the cold woman, is largely imaginary. One often encounters references to her in literature, but who has ever
met her in real life? As for me, I doubt that such a monster has ever
actually existed. There are, of course, women who spend a great deal of time denouncing and reviling men, but these are certainly not genuine man-haters; they are simply women who have done their utmost to snare men, and failed.”
15. Mythical Anthropophagi/a> (In Defense of Women)
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No, by disagreeing with that blanket statement doesn’t mean you aren’t recognizing “the problem” because there is no problem. The previous comments accurately explained why.
But, I’d like to shed a little light on the cultural angst some women have towards men in general. It has to do with biology. In mammals, sexual reproduction typically takes place between the larger female population and a much smaller segment of the male population. The victors of male competition tend to be bigger, stronger, faster, and more aggressive. Although human sexuality is complicated by a much more complex social organization as well as more complex psychological behaviors, this basic primeval interaction between the sexes still persists in humans. Statistically, women are more likely to mate with aggressive men than not; and, aggressive men are generally perceived as more self-centered, domineering, lacking compassion, etc.
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Bob, from what I’ve read women tend to be attractive to dominant males during ovulation, but do not generally consider them as long-term mates.
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“The study conducted by UCLA researchers analyzed several published and unpublished studies on women’s mate preferences and how they evolve and change during their menstrual cycle.
The UCLA study’s findings hint that ovulating women are leaning more towards mates who display sexy traits like a masculine body and facial features, as well as certain smells and dominant behavior. The desire for these masculine characteristics by women do not last all month, however, and are dominant only during her menstrual cycle.
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According to the researchers, the shift in mate preference by women can be pinned to an “evolutionary adaption.” [snip] Therefore, as a result, female ancestors were likely attracted to physically stronger-looking men, fueled by the notion that the offspring would be strong and would survive.”
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/3477/20140218/women-attracted-to-masculine-men-only-during-ovulation-study.htm
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Yes, I see female mate preference changes related to the more complex socialization and psychology of humans; although, the more primitive drive remains present.
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Interesting study
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Nothing to add here, Bob
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That statement sounds rather sexist to me. Consider what would happen if you started a WomenAreTrash hashtag. That might trigger a shit storm. I we take equal rights for men and women serious then we must consider this hashtag to be sexist because it makes a general, negative statement about one of the sexes. It is also contemptuous. I don’t think it is OK to call anybody “trash”. Moreover, by doing so, perhaps because you are angry with particular people, you make a generalizing statement that is not justified. Women using this hash tag are putting themselves on a low moral level, comparable perhaps to that of those men they are angry about.
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Excellent. It is demeaning
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Agree 100%, that is a great comment nannus.
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