death


what is it?

some say death is the greatest evil, some the greatest good, which is it?

is all religion and philosophy, at bottom concerned with death, fear or overcoming of it?

are we immortal?

why should non being concern us if there was infinite time before we were?

is there a rational reason to fear death?

is the death of a human being different from that of a brute?

postscript: or is death extended sleep?

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About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

70 thoughts on “death

  1. Barry says:

    I’m in no hurry to leave this world. I’d rather be a small fish in the huge ocean of humanity than a nothing in a sea of oblivion.

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  2. the only reason I wish death wouldn’t come is that it means I’ll not get to see and do all what I want. Other than that, I don’t find death scary, only a reason that I have to miss those that have died.

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    • makagutu says:

      I tell people usually the reason I haven’t killed myself yet is because of a book am yet to finish. This is in jest but usually meant to say death should come but not just yet

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  3. john zande says:

    As club touched on, death is annoying because you’re leaving the party while its still going on.

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  4. Like Clint Eastwood once said to Gene Hackman: “Gene, I don’t wanna die cause not being here to spend all this money I’ve made is gonna suck.”

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  5. Arkenaten says:

    The problem is I don’t feel hardly different than I did ten years ago, and no doubt felt similar ten years before that as well.
    I do all the things I did back then and have added some new ”strings to the bow” as I have gone along.
    So the thought of dying – albeit it’s a long ways in the future – simply pisses me off.

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  6. vastlycurious.com says:

    I don’t fear death if it comes I am prepared. However I would like it to continue for a few or twenty years. I watched a special on cloning meat and eventually humans. Organs…perhaps. People? I hope this does not happen in my life.

    What would happen if it was possible to clone exactly as we are with ALL the memories?

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    • john zande says:

      In Robert Reed’s Great Ships novels humans are virtually immortal, the stories set over tens and even hundreds of thousands of years. It’s interesting.

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    • makagutu says:

      I wouldn’t want to be cloned. I think an existence with no foreseeable end could be boring.
      Would we engage in philosophy if we didn’t die?
      I would want it to stay away for another 40 years

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      • vastlycurious.com says:

        I agree O- however, not confronted with the possibility of an offer its easy to say !

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        • makagutu says:

          Think about it, what if there was no death, would life be as pleasurable?

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          • vastlycurious.com says:

            Let me just say that if the offer truly presented itself I would take a long time to answer. Many intangibles yet alluring as well….extended pleasure? How can that be bad?

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          • makagutu says:

            Don’t you think they are pleasurable because we know they end? Imagine a constant supply of your favourite tea, you will sooner or later get tired of it, you wish for something else

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          • vastlycurious.com says:

            So if life was eternal I would then find a new tea !!!

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          • makagutu says:

            Hahaha! Good one. You win my friend.

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          • vastlycurious.com says:

            My goal is not to win just to examine the tantalizing possibilities of something that does not exist. My thoughts parallel that of the mythological vampire , does my family also remain forever young or do I continue alone? Alone would be …..lonely.

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          • makagutu says:

            With no possibility of death, do you continue to live with your annoying uncle or you move away to a different place? What would war achieve if one can’t kill their enemies? Is there need to eat if one can’t die?

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          • vastlycurious.com says:

            My question remains, is this scenario just me or the entire world suddenly lives forever? I think world wide birth control would be needed ASAP 🙂

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          • makagutu says:

            Let’s consider scenario 1 only you live forever and 2 everyone isn’t dying? Kurt Vonnegut addressed a scenario two kind of possibility in 2BRO2B

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          • Nan says:

            You know, of course, that your questions about living forever vs. death are beginning to remind me of the “eternal bliss” that awaits our Christian “friends” and that they think will be sooooo wonderful. Yet when questioned what they will do with their “time,” they have few answers. Worship God? For eternity? Huh.

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          • makagutu says:

            Nan I don’t think they have asked themselves how long eternity would be singing hallelujah. Plus how many can stand a church service going beyond an hour?

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  7. vastlycurious.com says:

    At what physical capacity John?

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  8. Nancy Oyula says:

    I fear not death, Maybe how it’ll come at me. To make it sound less grim, one can say it’s extended sleep.

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  9. Scottie says:

    Hello Mak, I agree with the others that I enjoy life too much right now to seek the end of it. However I also was clinically dead in 1981 from malnutrition. I do not know if near death experiences are something spiritual or simply brain / body chemistry. What I can say is the experience was so positive, so peaceful, so kind for someone who needed kindness in his life, that after that I no longer fear death. I wont look for it, but when it comes I am quite content. My goal is to live my life so that I have no regrets, no “I wish I had”, no recriminations, just simply being happy to have lived and now to let happen what will. Hugs

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    • Nan says:

      No bright light? No Jesus? No family member who had “passed on”?

      Seriously, your NDE sounds much more reasonable than some that are touted. I’m glad it left you with a peace and positive outlook.towards death. I think many would be envious. Hugs to you too. 🙂

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      • Scottie says:

        Thank you Nan. No religious component at all. The fact is I did not see a god, did not see a religious figure or a holy land of any book. I remember just before I coded feeling so heavy, there was a huge weight on my chest and I couldn’t breath. I was tired, so tired, and it was just easier not to fight. I was so tired. Then I was not there any more, not in the hospital ICU , not in our world as I knew it. It all seemed very real to me, but the brain has it’s own tricks , and I felt I was swimming in a warm pool, a comfortable and enjoyable place. It felt so good, no more pain, no hunger, no fear, no worries.. To me at that age I guess that might have been what some would call heaven. I was very happy, at that point n my life one of the few times I was. I felt no demands, no responsibility, no harm, just floating in warm water comfortable. I decided to swim to the surface yet while it was a slightly brighter area it was not the “bright lights of heaven” I hear some say. But before I could get to it. Get very far, a voice, and the voice was female to me then, and so kind, so nice, said no, you must go back, you can’t come here, it is not to be. The voice was saying I had to go back, and as kind as it was, I did not want to … I argued why, but got no response, just you must go back.. Then I woke up in the hospital ICU bed. They had restarted my heart and got me going again. The doctor leaned over me about to say something and I croaked ” why did you do that to me, why did you bring me back???” He looked sad and tired and said something I have always remembered. ” I get asked that a lot in these situations, I get asked that and I have no answer, except it is my duty to keep people alive and I don’t know what you saw or felt, but I had to do what I could to keep a kid alive” Later we talked and he thought I would hate him, but I did not. I just remembered the calm, the wonderful feeling of not hurting, not being in fear, not worried, just floating happy in warm water. If that is the after life for me I have no fear of it at all. Thanks and hugs

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    • makagutu says:

      I don’t know, I think all NDEs are natural events, people choose to assign them spiritual meanings.
      Living a life of regrets is useless. One only need accept they would not have acted any other way than they did then.

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      • Scottie says:

        Again I can see this. I simply don’t know what happens in the brain, the chemistry, or oxygen level or whatever. My NDE did not have a religious feeling or componente, just peace, happiness, no pain, no fear, simply being warm, happy, comfortable. I saw no heaven , no hell, no gods. So I simply don’t know what it was or where I was, I just know what I FELT. Hugs

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  10. koppieop says:

    I’m not afraid of dying, what I confess to be afraid of is suffering.
    As for the moment of death, I ike Somerset Maugham’s tale, “Appointment at Samarra”. It is a short story but perhaps a bit too large to copy and paste here. Google presents it immediatly on demand.-

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  12. […] and it makes all kinds of sense. Earlier this year Makagutu had a post asking people about their views on death. I would have loved to have replied with this quote, but that would not have been honest. I did not […]

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