Gibbon on Mohammed

[] From his earliest youth Mohammed was addicted to religious contemplation; each year during the month of Ramadan, he withdrew from the world and from the arms of Cadijah; in the cave of Hera, three miles from Mecca, he consulted the spirit of fraud or enthusiasm, whose abode is not in the heavens, but in the mind of the prophet. The faith which, under the name of Islam, he preached to his family and nation, is compounded of an eternal truth and a  necessary fiction, THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND THAT MOHAMMED IS THE APOSTLE OF GOD.[ emphasis mine]

The decline and fall pg 458

It is expected that he [Gibbon] being religious would say it is an eternal truth that there is only one god, but leaving that out, the rest of the passage is spot on.


This is the second of the gifts from my good friend Meme.

The Koran seems to be silent on silence and the few places where it does talk about silence, it is asking that you be silent. This though shouldn’t worry us, there is a lot on silence we will talk about.

I guess we are a bit lucky, we have 3 mentions of silence or synonyms

And [mention, O Muhammad], when We directed to you a few of the jinn, listening to the Qur’an. And when they attended it, they said, “Listen quietly.” And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners.

The people who wrote the Koran believed in superstition. They believed as you can see in the above recitation one who believes in the existence of jinns. It is such kind of little things that help to show that the Koran just like the Torah and Bible originated from a very superstitious and ignorant era.

And if you [believers] invite them to guidance, they will not follow you. It is all the same for you whether you invite them or you are silent.

How wonderful would it be if the faithful followed this advice to just let those who don’t believe be? In Egypt a young Atheist is in jail for posting the stupid movie on Mo that led to the killing of the US ambassador to Libya.

So when the Qur’an is recited, then listen to it and pay attention that you may receive mercy.

This is the last mention of silence I got from the good book and I hope the Muslims follow this command as am sure they must. It really is a funny site passing by a mosque with all the asses facing one direction and all heads facing Mecca. I don’t think there is a rule they don’t follow.

I have been asking myself whether it is by design that the so called holy books are silent on the personages of their most important characters. The Koran tells us almost very little about Mo so much such that we can’t tell whether he was what we are told he was. The biography of Mo that we have is gleaned from hadiths that were written years after he supposedly lived. The Muslims believe the hadiths were composed following a very strict evidential procedure and to back them up they say Bukhari received over 600K collections and only found 7K to be authentic. It is from these that the life, exploits and teaching of the prophet is told. In future posts I will enlighten you on the evidential procedure employed by Bukhari in his momentous task.

Christians don’t fare any better on the question of silence. We are told when Jesus is born, the next time he is 12 and the next time we meet him he is 30. We have been told he died at age 33[I could be wrong] but my friends read any one of the gospels and try and trace his life from the time he is 30 to his suicide and we have a problem of arithmetic. Let me demonstrate; his first miracle is getting people drunk then follows a few sermons in random places, a few parables and then 40 day temptation, entry into Jerusalem, betrayal by Judas[I thought Jeebus was famous and known by every Tom Dick and Harry], suicide and resurrection. Unless this fellow used to preach once every 3 months, I think we will be at pains demonstrating that his mission lasted 3 years.

Something bothers me on this matter of silence too. If god is responsible for creating man, that is, male and female, did he consider half the human population so inappropriate to reveal his teachings to? This situation that has resulted in all the Abrahamic religions treating women as less equal to men whose only duty is to act as incubators. I need to know why the good books are silent on women and when they are talked about they are so demonized!

Am waiting for any christian or Muslim to give me a bio of their supposed prophets.

That my friends is all on silence, we will in future attempt to write on GOLDFISH


First, to explain the genesis of this title, it is a free donation from my friend Meme.

Since this week we are dedicating to Islam, the Koran has a surah Ar -Rad[Thunder] from which we will see what Mo was told about things that will affect future generations.

Before I continue with this I have a few declarations to make. I haven’t read the whole Koran and it is not anywhere in my reading list and therefore anyone versed in the Koran can correct me where am wrong.

Two, I consider Islam to be a danger to the society; one in the way it treats women, their disdain for science [books on evolution were burned in Turkey towards the end of last year. A relevant post can be found in why evolution is true], their treatment of people of other faiths in their midst especially in countries that are mainly Muslim and lastly the desire by a small minority to resort to violence whenever their religion is questioned.

Muslims are mainly fundamentalist to the core. I don’t know whether it is by training, that they are taught to not read anything by non Muslims. In this sense, they think that only an exposition on Islam written by a Muslim should be read and to boot it would be better if it is written in Arabic. I got news for you. I don’t care for your apologists. I will read whatever I want written on Islam by whoever writes it. And I will use an English translation of the Koran for my purposes. You can insist all you want that a Koran to be so valid has to be in Arabic. Is your god unable to communicate in another language or Arabic a language spoken by just is a portion of the world population his lingua franca?

Lastly, until the Muslim just like the Judaist or the Christian can define a coherent god and then prove that this god exists, don’t tell me the Koran was revealed. Use another word but I prefer plagiarized or copied for my purposes. Having laid the ground rules we can now have a bit of fun

For each one are successive [angels] before and behind him who protect him by the decree of Allah . Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron.

We have been discussing the problem of evil in some previous posts and just as I indicated in the bible, here too we have the author telling us when Allah intends ill there is no escaping. I called the christian god a fiend and a cruel bastard, cruel still is Allah. No invoking human free will as a reason for existence of evil.

It is He who shows you lightning, [causing] fear and aspiration, and generates the heavy clouds.

Now you know when you see clouds who has generated them. Forget cooling and condensation of air as it rises and when you see lightening forget meeting of charges, nothing like that, it’s Allah announcing his presence.

And the thunder exalts [ Allah ] with praise of Him – and the angels [as well] from fear of Him – and He sends thunderbolts and strikes therewith whom He wills while they dispute about Allah ; and He is severe in assault.

Next time don’t hide under your table when the thunder is so loud, it is bowing to Allah. What I don’t know is whether it’s face also looks to Mecca and the ass to everywhere else in this supplication?

But those who break the covenant of Allah after contracting it and sever that which Allah has ordered to be joined and spread corruption on earth – for them is the curse, and they will have the worst home.

If this home is what I think it is, then this god is no different from his counterpart worshiped by the Christians who creates hell for his children he so dearly loves!

And if there was any qur’an by which the mountains would be removed or the earth would be broken apart or the dead would be made to speak, [it would be this Qur’an], but to Allah belongs the affair entirely. Then have those who believed not accepted that had Allah willed, He would have guided the people, all of them? And those who disbelieve do not cease to be struck, for what they have done, by calamity – or it will descend near their home – until there comes the promise of Allah . Indeed, Allah does not fail in [His] promise.

I haven’t tried trying to move mountains with anything since I don’t own an earth mover but am hoping one of our Muslim brothers with the Koran[the Arabic version] should try this and report back to us. I would like to use it some other time to bring the office closer to my house, I really need to sleep more.

The example of Paradise, which the righteous have been promised, is [that] beneath it rivers flow. Its fruit is lasting, and its shade. That is the consequence for the righteous, and the consequence for the disbelievers is the Fire.

Paradise must have been more like the Euphrates and Tigris, the area around Mesopotamia, a truly agricultural town.

And those who have disbelieved say, “You are not a messenger.” Say, [O Muhammad], “Sufficient is Allah as Witness between me and you, and [the witness of] whoever has knowledge of the Scripture.”

As I have said elsewhere, a thing is only defended when it is contested. Unless the person doing the revelation is talking about a distant time, this need not be said.

Our next post will be on silence and I hope the Koran has something on it 😀

Ramblings on Islam

Folks, this week our christian friends are preparing to celebrate a pagan holiday which for them represents the very foundation of their belief and which if the guy existed can only be suicide by centurion. Today we will give them a break, we will be dealing with their cousins,[ who by the way think Christians got it all wrong somewhere] the muslims. They will for this week whenever possible be the brunt of jokes, criticism and anything that can be hurled their way.

To start as off, why do Muslims insist on their women wearing tents? How do they see where they are going to and how do they run in the event they need to?

This is what it means to wear a tent. How do you even know your relative if you were not in the house when she was leaving?

This is what it means to wear a tent. How do you even know your relative if you were not in the house when she was leaving?

and why then not be fair to all. If it is tents, then it should be tents all the way, not this

why this discrimination?

why this discrimination?

I know if any of them come here they will tell me oh the prophet said this or that about dressing. Please I don’t want to hear those lines. The prophet if he existed is dead he can’t be ruling women from the grave.

You are aware there are close to a billion followers of this cult and they all believe the Koran to be the ultimate in literature and it is only koran if it is in Arabic. I don’t care for Arabic and am not interested in knowing and so we can for our purposes use an English translation to just see how marvelous the said book is, shall we?

We will be looking at 2 Al-Baqara [286]

8 And of mankind, there are some (hypocrites) who say: “We believe in Allah and the Last Day” while in fact they believe not.

Tell me this ain’t a vestige from the NT Mathew 7:21

9 They (think to) deceive Allah and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not!

10 In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allah has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.

11 And when it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “We are only peace-makers.”

12 Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.

13 And when it is said to them (hypocrites): “Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم, Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed,” they say: “Shall we believe as the fools have believed?” Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.

14 And when they meet those who believe, they say: “We believe,” but when they are alone with their Shayatin (devils – polytheists, hypocrites), they say: “Truly, we are with you; verily, we were but mocking.”

15 Allah mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doing to wander blindly.

Maybe I don’t know good prose, but please tell me where such a composition it can be so-called is glorious? Where is this better than the opening paragraph to a Tale of Two Cities or two any narration in Brothers Karamazov or Lolita?

Then the ultimate challenge

23 And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur’an) to Our slave (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful.

and then the most able response, by Al Razi[865-925 CE],  I have come across

You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say: “Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one.” Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. ,  By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say: “Produce something like it”?!

It gets more ridiculous

31 And He taught Adam all the names (of everything) , then He showed them to the angels and said, “Tell Me the names of these if you are truthful.”

In Genesis Chapter 2, the second creation story, the animals are made to do a match by as Adam names them. How this story is so different, I hope some random muslim will enlighten us.

34 And (remember) when We said to the angels: “Prostrate yourselves before Adam.”. And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah).

Friends, tell me how is this useful information?

And if this is not plagiarism, then for the life of me I don’t know what is

49 And (remember) when We delivered you from Fir’aun’s (Pharaoh) people, who were afflicting you with a horrible torment, killing your sons and sparing your women, and therein was a mighty trial from your Lord.

At least this god doesn’t claim omnipresence. He is a unidirectional god no wonder all heads face Mecca and all asses elsewhere

149 And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-Al-Haram (at Makkah), that is indeed the truth from your Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.

To be continued, this book doesn’t seem to be ending soon anyway 😀

Is Islam any true

To the choir obviously the answer to this question is a resounding no. To most others though faced with this question they are ready to concede that Islam has its origins in the light of day and so is likely true. The stories of Mohammed and his exploits seem so real to most people such that to even begin to show them it is as much a legend, and bad one at that, like other religious personages in history is a Herculean task. This belief is not based on fact rather it is one that has been properly built and passed on over time that it is likely considered true. At some time last year I wrote an article about Islam and its association with violence which in my opinion is supported by either the Koran or Hadiths that it is hard to separate Islam from violence even if you try so hard.

Many muslims are wont to say that Atheists fear to critique Islam. For one, muslims behave like cry babies albeit with guns so that when it is challenged they are up in arms defending the prophet god. One is left to wonder if their god is so powerless that it requires minions to fight for it all the time. It is appalling that they find no qualms killing people who disagree with their ignorance. They threaten anyone who dares leave the religion with death so much such that those Atheists in muslim countries live in fear for their lives and when they are able to write about it, they use several pseudonyms just so that family, friends and the community at large does not get to know.

There is no evidence for the Abrahamic god, the one muslims worship and so there is no way Mohammed or whoever the prophet was could have received a message from god. We have no evidence of ghosts, holy or otherwise and angels fallen or not so too none appeared to Mohammed. That aside however, Islam is as much a plagiarism of early Judaism, Christianity and Zoroaster beliefs that it is indeed funny to hear a muslim talk of purity of their cult.

There is an interesting book[ In the Shadow of the Sword] that took historian Tom Holland five years to compile on the history of Islam that is both informative and interesting and should be read first by all Muslims who care to think beyond what their imams tell them and then by everyone interested in religion.

A critique

This is going to be the first of a series of responses or critique to my friend’s posts. I have chosen to do them here because as you’ll see when you visit the links given here and others that I will look at later, that he mostly ignores my questions, not that he has to answer them. Right here, I can ask all the questions I have and he is free to comment or clarify where he is misrepresented or better still ignore.

Here, here and here are the first posts I would want to address. We will have fun! Let it be known that am not saying the brother is wrong and am right, no that is not the point, I will try to show why I think the brother is misleading his audience, which is quite big. I think it is safe to assume he is a NT christian [ I could be wrong] but I find he draws most of his teachings from the NT and hardly makes any reference to the OT.

The first post deals with Paul’s thorn in the flesh. I have first to say here that a good friend of mine whom you now already know brought it to my attention that some of the passages attributed to Paul could have been later interpolations especially those on women as in Timothy and Corinthians.

Our friend here has listed three possible thorns that could have inflicted Paul, these are:-

  1. Chronic illness
  2. Poor eyesight
  3. Besetting sin

and forgot to mention one of the things Paul could have referred to as a thorn in the flesh and that is being impotent. There is evidence to support this view. One need only look at Paul’s view on marriage to make this inference that this could be thorn he couldn’t mention publicly but only alludes to it in no clear terms

“To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion.” (1 Corinthians 7:8-9 RSV)

1 Corinthians 7: 1-2:

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

In this view, I think one Paul saw marriage just as a means to avoid fornication. There is no where we find Paul extolling the goodness of marriage. Is it possible that he knew he was incapable of siring children and at the same time thought the end times were near?

Our friend tells us this is the ultimate lesson,

All of these diverse views and speculations about Paul’s thorn have one common danger; they may easily distract us from the point of Paul’s message in 2 Corinthians 12:7-9, GOD’S GRACE. The ultimate, take-home lesson in this passage is that God’s Grace is sufficient in our weakness,

and am tempted to ask why would a god want his children to suffer. What does this say of the people who believe in this god and of this god? If his grace is sufficient in our suffering, is he unable to use the same grace to remove the suffering or does he take pride in our suffering?

He continues to say

So, whether Paul’s thorn was a sickness, an infirmity or a besetting sin, the bottom line is that God’s Grace is sufficient. It is sufficient to help us live through the sickness and infirmity, and it is sufficient to keep us fighting that besetting sin

does it occur to the christian that if god’s grace can see you through suffering and illness, that he could stop the illness in the first place and fails to do so. That then he can’t and shouldn’t be considered good and full of grace?

The second post assumes some people hate Jesus, I don’t. I just think the guy didn’t exist and that is for another post. We will just look at his post and that is what I am responding to tonight.

To be in love, is not about the two people in that relationship to define their love. What does he mean when he say

To begin with, the proof that we love Jesus is defined by Jesus, not by us

do those who love Jesus have no say? And since you can’t talk to this Jesus is this not absurd? He continues to say

We love Him on His terms and His definition of love. Not necessarily because He is selfish and inconsiderate about our preferences, but simply because God is love and love is meaningless outside of His definition. How does God expect us to prove our love for Him?

How is this a perfect love? Maybe I don’t understand something but please friends tell me if this is your conception of love!

Our love for God is evidenced by our obedience to His commands, and His commands are not burdensome

Gods commandments include forsaking family, stoning your child if he is disobedient and killing men who work on the Sabbath  I don’t know about you but I find this a hell lot burdensome than keeping traffic rules.

Well wishers must also be well diggers

I agree with him here. No prayers needed, it is just should be obvious that praying isn’t going to solve his/ her problem since in all likelihood they have been praying and nothing has changed.

On temptation he refers to Jesus temptation and has this to say

Did Jesus obey? No. Why not and yet he was genuinely hungry and in need of bread? The reason is that in doing so, Jesus would be acting in obedience to the devil, not to God.

Had Oscar Wilde had written by this time, I think Jesus would have found this statement

The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it… I can resist everything but temptation.

very useful. But on a side note, why would the devil try to tempt Jesus knowing fully well he is god son of god, I don’t know which is correct?

The reason for his post was this

In the same way, the proof of our son-ship, the proof of our love for God, the proof of our compassion and care… is not in our willingness to share photos or “like” heart-warming messages on Facebook. The proof of our right standing before God is elsewhere, at the Cross of Jesus Christ.

And the question I ask is why should the cross of someone who committed suicide albeit by delegation should matter to us? Why should this be important to us? What does sharing photos or any chain mail have to with the love of god, Jesus or Buddha?

The last one is my favorite. It is a good example of the theist telling each other your brand is not the correct one, and it is the only time they speak truthfully.

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” – Jesus

These words appear only in the gospel of John. Mathew, Luke and Mark did not hear them. I contend they are a later addition, an interpolation for which the bible is full.

I don’t think he is saying the truth when he says

and yes, for the sake of remaining politically correct, Christianity was founded by Jesus Christ.

Christianity was founded by Paul.

No matter how much the Jews respect and honor Abraham, no one has deluded himself into equating Abraham with God. No matter how protective the Muslims are of Prophet Muhammad’s name and image, they draw the line at equating Muhammad with God

I could be wrong, but Jesus doesn’t call himself god and the matter of his divinity was resolved in a council of Catholics when Catholicism was the state religion. Mohammed simply doesn’t make the claim because at the time the Koran is being written, they have seen the problems the christians have gone to deal with this question and so the drafters are tacitly avoiding a similar problem. The Jews are not making the same mistake with Abraham because they are far much ahead of the christians in terms of originality of thought.

So, is Jesus the founder of Christianity in the same sense that others are founders of their respective religions? Or is he more? What makes Jesus so unique? What gives him (and Christians) the audacity to say that Jesus was more than a prophet and that Jesus is God? This claim alone sets Christianity apart from (and, yes, above) all other world religions.

Christians want to believe their religion is special. All other religions think the same of their founders even if they don’t make claims that they are god. The muslims ask how could the death of one man save all. It simply doesn’t make sense to anyone except the christian. He must see this as special for him to continue being a christian. There is nothing whatsoever special except maybe the level of delusion.

 Even Jehovah’s Witnesses acknowledge that Jesus died for the sins of mankind, but they refuse to equate him to God. They argue that “Jesus is the greatest Witness of all, inferior to no one except Jehovah Himself.

Last I checked JW were a branch of christrianity. How then does he go ahead and quote them?

Jesus made everything. Muhammad was a man, created like the rest of us, lived, sinned and eventually died like the rest of us. Jesus was the creator of Muhammad. Muhammad was the creation of Jesus.

Am confused here. Who did the creation? God or Jesus are they one? So how old was Jesus when he was born by Mary and how old is he now? When did they stop counting his age and how do we know this? At least Mohammed didn’t commit suicide 🙂

2. Jesus is the Word of God, Muhammad received the “Word of God.”

Jesus is not the greatest prophet to ever live, He is the subject of all the greatest prophesies. While Muhammad claims to have received a revelation of God’s Word through an angel in a cave, Jesus claimed to be the very Word of God. He claimed to be the Truth about God. While Muhammad was God’s messenger, Jesus was the messenger, the sender and the message all rolled into one.

Since we have no record of a book written by Jesus, these are claims made by others. Jesus, if he lived, did not say them. If the bible is to be believed, Jesus is a messenger and he says he does as he has been sent. How is he any different from Mohammed, who I doubt graced this atheist universe!

Abraham was the first Jew, Muhammad was the first Muslim, Buddha was the first Buddhist, but Jesus was not the first Christian.

But this is out-rightly untrue! How could Buddha be the first Buddhist if Buddhist follow the teachings of the Buddha? Does this make sense to anyone? Isn’t this a case of special pleading? And did Abraham even exist?

Jesus never killed anyone. No, this does not mean that NOT killing someone is any sign of moral superiority on Jesus’ part. God killed and kills people all the time. People deserve to be killed by God. Jesus would not be breaking any moral law by killing someone. What’s so amazing about the fact that Jesus never killed anyone is what he did instead, he raised the dead. Lazarus, Jairus’ daughter…. Jesus gave people life, Muhammad only took many people’s lives.

I don’t know why god should kill anyone? If he says not killing is not a sign of moral superiority, how does god killing people become allowable? There is nothing special in raising the dead if they die again! And besides Jesus isn’t the first to achieve this feat if again the bible is to be believed. The same claim is made about Elisha or Elijah, am not sure who, you could correct me if am wrong.

5. Jesus was God, Muhammad was man

The Bible says that Jesus is God (John 1:1), Jesus Himself claimed to be one with God (John 14:10-11), and the apostles taught that Jesus was essentially and ontologically God:

“Though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death–even death on a cross!” [Philippians 2:6-8]

Unless my understanding is bad, the same bible says of Jesus that he was fully man. Why ignore the parts where Jesus calls himself the son of man? Why this special pleading? The passage in Philippians was not spoken by Jesus. It can’t pass for evidence in this case. We must leave it when considering the claim of whether Jesus, if he lived, thought he was god.

Furthermore, while Jesus claimed to know what the Father knew and to be sent directly from the father,

again another case of special pleading. Why ignore the parts where Jesus, if he lived, says no one except the father knows the hour? Is it because this doesn’t satisfy your goal?

Only men need mediators in order to communicate with God. Jesus didn’t need one. He was one.

if Jesus is god, why does he pray? Why on the cross does he make the cry father father why have you forsaken me? Did he forget he was god or as Albert Camus puts it, at this very moment Jesus realizes it was all in vain. He died for a wrong cause?

Jesus never sinned. He was perfect like Adam before the fall. That means he was perfectly human, not inhuman. All human beings after the fall became less than human. To be fully human is to exist and live as God originally intended man to be. Muhammad on the other hand was a sinner (Quran 40:55; 48:1-2). Not only was he not God, he was not even fully human. He was a fallen man, like the rest of us.

Nietzsche says Jesus died too soon! Had he lived to old age he may have repudiated his stand, that is if he lived at all. Well our friend believes in the creation story and original sin. I do realize that without the fall of Adam, Jesus would have died in vain and so for the christian Adam must exist for sin to exist. If to be fully human is to exist as god intended, it is not clear in the bible except what I find that god created man ignorant and wanted him subservient and a fool! Who wants to live this way, by a show of hands, and Meme please count all of them!

7. Jesus is alive, Muhammad is dead

Jesus was killed, buried, and on the third day He rose from the grave. Muhammad died and stayed dead. Of all the differences between Jesus and Muhammad, this is the most pivotal. For years, many Muslims have claimed that Jesus never died, that He was simply taken away by God. But evidence to the contrary has increasingly shown that Jesus did indeed die.

I hear that Mohammed was taken to heaven in a chariot, I could be wrong. Evidence indeed shows Jesus didn’t exist, so how can there be evidence showing he did indeed die? So I don’t find this conclusive but I know again christianity is based on the Easter story. And as several apologists since Thomas Aquinas so observed, you take away the resurrection story and then there is no christianity. So the christian has to present conclusive evidence that one, a god exist, that this god has a son, sent this son to commit suicide to save us and that this son was raised after dying on a cross and lifted up to heaven which the christian also must provide evidence for. Saying the bible says so isn’t evidence.

As Ravi Zacharias aptly puts it, “Perhaps it’s time Muslims stopped asking IF Jesus died and started asking WHY Jesus died.”

And yours truly will ask, perhaps christians should start asking whether Jesus existed and not take it as a given!

No, Jesus is not the Christian Muhammad. Jesus is the creator of everything. Jesus is God. Jesus is the Savior of the world. All roads do not lead to God. Jesus is the only way to God.

Am confused. Either Jesus is god or the way to god, it can’t be both. And someone please educate me, who is the creator, are they two or is it just one guy. And while at it, when I read the creation story, in the chapter where they talk about the fall of man, god seems to be saying man has become like us, could be he was addressing Jesus, just thinking allowed!

I stop here friends!